Assembly Votes to End All Night Sessions
State lawmakers say they want to change the rules to make government more transparent.
**Updated 10 p.m.
The State Assembly Thursday voted to end all night debate sessions in an effort, lawmakers said, to make government more open.
Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, and Majority Leader Scott Suder (R-Abbottsford) introduced the measure during the first full day the Legislature is in session after the November elections.
“At the end of last session, numerous constituents, colleagues and even the press talked to me about ending the overnight Assembly sessions, so that our debates could be more open and transparent,” said Vos in a written statement. “These marathon sessions don’t serve the members or the citizens of this state well.”
Leaders from both sides of the aisle signed on to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) that spells out some guidelines like ending debate "at a reasonable hour" and allowing the Assembly Rules Committee to set the goals and establish the structure and timing of debates.
Last-minute amendments will also be given priority. According to the written release from Vos' office, any amendment given to the Assembly Chief Clerk by 9 a.m. on a session day will get priority attention and consideration by each caucus. The MOU also includes language about floor rules - including time limites - being strictly enforced.
“I am pleased that Minority Leader Peter Barca and I were able to sit down and thoroughly discuss ways to provide more transparency to our chamber,” Vos said. “We all agree the Assembly should improve the way we do business.”
Since the vote was taken, Patch talked to Kit Beyer, communications director in Vos' office, to get additional details to spell out some of what happened today:
- Public access to the Assembly chamber has not changed, but expected behavior is a little more formal. No hats, no reading newspapers, no photos or video recordings.
- Ending debates at a "reasonable" time is defined as "before people go to bed," which could mean around 9 or 10 p.m. The description is deliberately vague because it's really a case-by-case consideration.
- Mail-in votes applies only to the Committee on Assembly Organization, the group that takes care of administrative details for the Assembly, like approving the contract with Wisconsin Eye. Mailed in ballots can only be used with the proper public notice, Beyer said.
- A dress code for the floor of the Assembly; coat and tie for men and "appropriate attire" for women.
"Many of these rules are mirrored off those that exist in the Senate," she said.
Not all lawmakers are happy with the outcome, though. The final vote places some restrictions on citizens observing in the gallery and allowing Assembly Organization committee members to mail in their votes instead of having to be present for them.
Rep. Sandy Pasch, D-Shorewood, released a statement saying she was not pleased with the final outcome, but is encouraged by the way Republicans and Democrats were able to have a robust debate without the divisiveness of the previous Legislative session.
"Both sides of the aisle set forth to do what many of us campaigned on, and what voters clearly are clamoring for – putting partisan politics aside and focusing on the needs and priorities of our communities," she said.
Barca, D-Kenosha, voiced a similar sentiment in his written statement after the vote.
“One of my top priorities is closing the skills gap so that unemployed workers have the skills employers need," he stated. "Now that the debate on rules is behind us, let’s devote at least as much energy toward working together on the people’s priorities – let’s put the people of Wisconsin back to work.”
Bob McBride
2:20 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Will this debate run late into this evening?
Adam W. McCoy
2:23 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
It's a meeting about meetings.
Bob McBride
2:25 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Hehe. I've been to way too many of those in my lifetime...
Bren
4:40 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
That's the best kind of meeting!
yomammy
6:38 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
wonder if the play BS bingo during their "sessions"
"paradigm shift" check
"for the children" check
"raise taxes only slightly" check
"adding a user fee" check
"Vitiorol" check
"previous administrations fault" check
"high capacity clips with the thing that goes up" check
"for the children" check
"for the children" check
"for the children" check
"pay raise for us, but not the rest of the state" check...
Heather Asiyanbi
2:24 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Should the all-nighters be eliminated?
Bren
4:43 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
If I thought it would create more efficiency I'd say yes but what's more likely to happen is less work will be done at the same rate of pay.
Interesting that they found time to work on this self-serving project while our state's very real issues wait to be addressed.
Ed Willing
8:26 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Bren, that is one of the most thin and stretched attempts to find the cloud on a silver lining you've ever posted. You started off with an empathetic tone, just to betray your appearance of understanding with political imbibing, I'm sure you find irresistible as a member of the minority.
And it's very revealing. These guys have been addressing real issues, and they don't need all night right now to do it. Btw, the session JUST STARTED.
To accuse them of a self-serving project when the article clearly states it was a bipartisan vote is disingenuous.
To claim they are ignoring important issues by not working into the night is misleading, because your side simply cannot pass the bills as the minority.
To imply there is a "fiscal cliff-like" rush to pass bills and this is somehow ignoring their duty is to set up a straw man and say "see?!"
I have no opinion on late hours, especially since a simply voice vote could a,end the current ones in emergency situations. I do think it increases transparency to a degree, which I'm all for. CCTV of the hearings and all negotiations is more effective in that regard, however.
Bren
1:08 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Ed, I found nothing empathetic in my comment. Constituents were asking for transparent processes probably because of the ALEC union stripping legislation couched in the "budget repair" bill that was dumped on our state in early February 2011, and the subsequent shenanigans that we all remember. Whichever side of the political spectrum one finds oneself these days, that entire episode was a pile of crapola and even Gov. Walker admitted he could have "handled things differently." No freaking kidding.
But as patchreader 123 points out elsewhere in this thread, daytime sessions are hard for many folks to attend. Thus "transparency" is not gained by ending night sessions. My cynicism rests in overall dissatisfaction with the issues this legislature has involved itself in since Walker was elected. What is a bicycle, diddling around with the public high school sex education curriculum, abortion-related legislature. When a governor is elected on a jobs jobs jobs platform, I don't expect diddling in the high school sex education curriculum. I expect programs that keep people fed while getting them trained up for jobs in new industries. I respect people's differing views on abortion, that some believe it is immoral. I believe there is an immorality in allowing children and the unemployed to go hungry. In my view, more public scrutiny is essential.
Ed Willing
2:51 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Your ALEC hating and other rhetoric only shows how divided we are and will be until you learn to embrace liberty and common sense in government.
Herbert
3:58 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Is this article an early April Fool's Joke?
Nuitari
4:45 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Maybe the blue-fister moochers can have a good night's rest now.
Chris B
5:03 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Anyone have any details about this statement?
"The final vote places some restrictions on citizens observing in the gallery and allowing certain committee members to mail in their votes instead of having to be present for them."
I was especially interested in the mail -in vote portion.
Ed Willing
8:32 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
I heard about this before and would like some details on it as well.
Some members in the past had been allowed to vote over the phone or get special permission for particular votes. Perhaps this change is for non budgetary or critical bills, or for voice vote actions? Maybe committee votes?
It's not the most concerning change to me, but more details would be good.
Heather Asiyanbi
12:28 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
I've since added some details related to the vote to help explain better what some of it means.
patchreader 123
5:10 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
"[Ending night sessions] so that our debates could be more open and transparent,,,”
What about the general public being unavailable during the workday due to employment commitments, but thereafter available during evening hours to view such night sessions?
What am I missing here? How does ending night sessions aid transperancy? Was the public not allowed in the gallery during such sessions?
Ed Willing
8:29 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Clearly you don't remember the 2am sessions. I guarantee you that the press, the common man and politician observers in general are more available during the day, until say, 7pm, than 2am. Wouldn't you agree?
DICK STEINBERG
8:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
There is no good reason for setting time limits on democracy. Maybe a reasonable time like 8pm would be better. other brahches of government work into the evening hours, so why are they so special ?
Ed Willing
8:30 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Dick, they didn't set an hour limitation.
8pm could be argued as "a reasonable hour." 2am is not, and that was common the last two sessions.
Heather Asiyanbi
10:12 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
All - I just updated the story to include a few details on what some of this means. I hope it helps answer some of your questions.
Bob McBride
11:08 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Rep. Sandy Pasch, D-Shorewood, released a statement saying she was not pleased with the final outcome, but is encouraged by the way Republicans and Democrats were able to have a robust debate without the divisiveness of the previous Legislative session.
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She didn't happen to go into details on what didn't please her, did she? I mean, besides the obvious - that this was initiated by Republicans.
Greg
12:21 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
I have found nothing on on the contents of this statement. Maybe Patch can fill in these details.
Adam W. McCoy
12:26 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
You ask and you shall receive. http://wispolitics.com/1006/130110_Pasch.pdf
Bob McBride
12:45 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Thanks Adam,
To summarize. Opening salvo blasting Republicans, naturally. Complaint that this is somehow restricting debate and public access (100% wrong - it eliminates situations where things can be done in the late night/early morning hours when the public is unlikely to be around anyways and restricts such actions to a time period when the public is more likely to be available for access. It doesn't restrict debate - it just confines them to "working hours" essentially). And then the usual political blah, blah, blah. Completely pointless. Just another opportunity to get some coverage.
Greg
3:56 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Thanks, I needed the laugh. I think the legislature should have included a self-pity clause in the new rules.
Steve ®
12:11 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Did the blue fisters show up for work wearing blaze orange t shirts?
Steve ®
12:14 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
This is why it is needed.
A dress code for the floor of the Assembly; coat and tie for men and "appropriate attire" for women.
Blue fisters need to be babysat so they do not embarrass their employers.
Nuitari
8:39 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Sexist
Steve ®
12:14 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Did they pass a rule you can not run to Illinois?
yomammy
6:35 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
oh SNAP!!!!
but so, so true....twas a sad day to see our "leaders" leaving their posts.
Ed Willing
8:34 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Ah, but there WAS a rule in place when they did. :) some days I wish they had sent the state patrol to arrest them. Lol
Steve ®
10:17 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
They should have sent the state patrol after them and charged with whatever crime is on the books. They are domestic terrorists and their terror only continued after they returned to the state.
I know Walker was trying to save some face back then and hold the patrol off, but in hindsight he still would have faced recall. And STILL would have kicked blue fister butt.
Bob McBride
10:27 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
In most instances if you abandon your job, you lose it. Only in government can you get away with this crap.
Jay Sykes
11:12 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Are you actually telling us that those -Ed Show- and -Rachel Maddow- 'on camera' appearances, from a secret undisclosed location ('somewhere' in Illinois), don't qualify as WORK?
Greg
11:56 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
That was your Senators, these are Assembly rules.
Blair Nielsen
11:42 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
I like the dress code part. Jay Carnee is the only one that sports a tie on Obamas team.
That's just so he's more believable when he is sent out to lie to us all. Look at pictures of Obamas cabinet-no coats, ties & rolled up sleeves, Obamas dress code. Gives the appearance of "hard at work" lol
Greg
12:34 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Barca is such a soap boxer. How much time was spent on these rules? Does he really want to spend a similar amount of time on the people’s priorities? Sit down and shut your yap, you might be surprised how much can get done.
jbw
8:19 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Wait, you're going to eliminate the whole "legislators are working through the night to complete this important work" BS - that the press doles out and everyone gobbles up - everytime someone starts asking why our leaders aren't doing their jobs?
What will we do now to guarantee our government officials some feel-good sound bites between photo ops and campaign events?
I've worked long hours hundreds of times actually doing real work that generates measurable revenue. I bet not a single one of these people can say the same thing.
Steve ®
1:26 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Actually a few of the republican members own their own businesses. The blue fisters may as well but I do to consider them as human.
Tansandy
6:49 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Does that mean "carpet bagger" Mason can't open the bathroom window after 8:00?
Captain Midnight
2:15 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
@Steve...
"The blue fisters may as well but I do to consider them as human."
A semi-literate sentence from a mouth breathing, knuckle-dragging Bagger. It says it all.
Steve ®
2:45 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
You forgot to quote the first part where I was schooling jbw. As for the part that you quoted where did I go wrong? Boring news day in Minnesota?
Captain Midnight
11:06 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@Steve...
Please translate "...but I do to consider them as human." into fluent English.