Concealed Carry First Step Toward Obeying Constitution?
Wisconsin joins 48 other states by allowing concealed carry of weapons come November, a law some believe is just the first move closer to granting Second Amendment rights.
Effective in November, Wisconsin will become the 49th state to allow the concealed carry of handguns. The issue of concealed carry has a number of policy arguments on both sides, as well as statistics that have been used both for and against allowing concealed carry.
However, despite the policy arguments, the new law only begins to bring Wisconsin in line with citizens' rights under the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
For starters, everyone recognizes that firearms are both dangerous and sometimes necessary. The balance has been difficult to establish throughout our history.
On the one hand, people carrying firearms can very easily misuse them against others, with severe and irreparable consequences.
On the other hand, everyone in their right mind recognizes that firearms have those severe and irreparable consequences, and will often give someone brandishing a firearm great deference. For example, suspects cooperate much more quickly with law enforcement officers whose weapons are drawn.
Criminals recognize the usefulness of such power and deference, and have long been linked to firearm use in crimes. In fact, famous criminal lore is married to the use of firearms — whether that be of Old West era train robbers or Prohibition era gangsters. And, of course, modern gangsters, thugs and the drug culture are all tied to firearms.
In 1911, New York passed the Sullivan Act, the first measure of gun control in the United States, which required registration of any gun small enough to be concealed on one's person. Effectively, this act became the model for most gun control legislation throughout the country. The federal government began dipping its toes into gun regulation in the 1930s, in response to firepower in the hands of the Prohibition gangsters. Again, the method of choice was through registration and taxation.
As the organized crime syndicates disappeared in the 1930s, interest in gun control waned. However, the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Kennedys in the 1960s again brought waves of gun control efforts to the country.
Prior to 1968, Wisconsinites could possess, carry or conceal weapons of their choice — subject to the federal gun registrations and taxes of the 1930s. But, just like in Wisconsin, many states in the late 1960s enacted concealed carry laws, which made it criminal for a person to carry a concealed and dangerous weapon.
Those laws began falling off the books in the 1990s as states reasoned that private citizens could best defend themselves from criminal activity if allowed to carry a handgun — either as a deterrent, or as a necessary tool.
States adopted one of three positions with regard to handguns. Some, such as Vermont and Alaska, elected to allow "constitutional carry" — the free and unregulated carry of weapons — with a few other states including Arizona moving toward such regulation. The remaining states (aside from Wisconsin and Illinois) elected to require some sort of permit for use.
The vast majority of such states have a "shall issue" statute. In other words, provided an applicant meets certain requirements for a permit, the state must issue the permit. A minority of states have a "may issue" statute, which gives the state some discretion in whether to allow an applicant to receive a permit, no matter how well he meets the requirements.
As one of the last states to repeal the ban on concealed carry (Illinois now standing alone), Wisconsin has the advantage of seeing statistical results. Truth be told, those results are mixed.
For example, in Missouri, which elected to be a “shall issue” state in 2003, crime rates overall have generally decreased. In 2000, Missouri saw 4,527 victims of crime for every 100,000 residents. In 2002, that number was 4,604. By 2009, that number was down to 3,877.
On the flip side, the murder rate — 6.2 per 100,000 residents — dipped around Missouri's passage of its "shall issue" statute, but rose again, as high as 7.7 murders per 100,000 people in 2008. Robberies followed a similar trend, while forcible rapes fluctuated from 24.1 in the year 2000, to a high of 30.2 in 2006, and down to 26.8 in 2009.
Ohio, which became a "shall issue" state in 2004, saw similar results. Again, its crime rate declined from approximately 4,000 crimes per 100,000 residents to a low of 3,603 in 2009. However, the murder rate actually increased after the law change. In 2000, Ohio had 3.7 murders for every 100,000 residents. That was up to 4.4 in 2004, 5.1 the next year and remained above the 2004 levels through 2009. The rate for robberies followed the trend for murders, while forcible rapes declined somewhat.
By comparison, the national average saw murder rates remain relatively constant between 5.0 and 5.7 per 100,000 residents from 2000 to 2009, robberies fluctuate wildly from 133 to 149.4, and forcible rapes generally decline from a high of 33.1 in 2002 to a low of 28.7 in 2009. Again, this means that the national average saw crime rates in general decrease.
Wisconsin, without a change to its concealed carry ban, saw its murder rates remain relatively constant between 2.6 and 3.7 per 100,000 residents, its robbery rates generally increase between 2000 and 2009, and its rape rates generally decline. Similarly, Illinois — with a concealed carry ban — followed the general national pattern.
Both sides can use these statistics to their advantage. For example, those in favor of concealed carry can argue that crime rates decrease overall where concealed carry is allowed. Unfortunately, crime rates also decreased where concealed carry was banned. Those against concealed carry can argue that violent crime escalates, even where overall crime decreases. Again, unfortunately, that is not always the case. A million variables come into play that really cloud the argument for both sides.
Fortunately, the country has a guiding principal that makes the entire policy debate a moot point. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution reads as follows, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
From a legalistic standpoint, there is a very powerful word in that sentence. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be "infringed." This is different than our rights to free speech or the press, which shall not be "abridged" by Congress. To infringe is to limit, undermine or encroach upon. To abridge is to reduce in extent or quantity.
So, your right to speak may be limited, so long as the limit doesn't affect the extent or quantity of speech. In other words, the government can make it illegal to yell "bomb" on a plane, so long as the government doesn't simply ban the word "bomb" altogether.
According to the Constitution, however, your right to keep and bear arms may not be limited — although your right to use them may be.
Although policy makers can and will argue until they are blue in the face about whether concealed carry is a worthwhile idea, the answer has been before us for over 200 years: your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
That right has been infringed upon for a century. Only now are the states beginning to relax those infringements. Wisconsin is taking its first step by becoming a "shall issue" state in November.
J. Gravelle
1:33 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
"On the one hand, people carrying firearms can very easily misuse them against others, with severe and irreparable consequences."
Replace the word "firearms" with "baseball bats" or "shovels" or "crowbars" and ask why those items can be carried by any man, woman, or child without any tax & licensing scheme.
I encourage everybody to visit Vermont where you and I can carry permit-free and note the inexplicable lack of street-corner shootouts and road-rage rampages...
-jjg
DailyScoff.com
Pat Riot
2:44 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
The right to bear arms is not granted by the constitution, nor does it rely on that instrument for it's existiance. The right to regulate, ban, control weapons was not a power granted to the Constitution, and therefore it has no authroity to regulate them. The Second Amendmetn was an added protection, saying that the right shall not be infringed, and infringed is a contract term that means that the citizens of the USA control that right, and the governmetn has no right to get involved. ALL LAWS that regulate firearms in this country, every single one of them, have no legal basis and no legal backing.
They seem to have gotten deeply involved.
joey
5:05 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
some people think the intent was to protect only the organized militias' right to bear arms, and no right to the individual is extended. they will tell you the individual's right to bear arms never existed, therefore you can't infringe upon something that never existed in the first place...get it? I don't.
Pat Riot
7:23 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
I don't either. When the constitution was ratified, the government was given specific powers, and those powers did not include regulation of firearms. In other words, the people retained the right to own guns and did not offer that up to the government to regulate.
We get so caught up in the idea that guns are a right granted by the Constitution that we forget that the Constitution was not allowed to get involved in that right - and did not grant it in the first place. The Slaughterhouse cases talked about this at length. If I follow the logic of the judges then, they were saying that it was up to the people to solve the problem of gun bans, because it was their problem, not the governments.
The militia was a side issue that only reflected the idea at the time that the people might need to overthrow the federal government at some point, and the founders wanted that to go smoothly with a minimal loss of life. They talked about it in depth in numerous historical places. The 2nd even confirms that by barring the government from getting involved.
Alan Kaufman
5:18 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
Rik, very well said. Justice Scalia has made it perfectly clear, that we do not make decisions on constitutional law based on statistics.
jdl51
5:40 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
It must be terrible to be so afraid to walk out the door of your house so scared of what might happen that you have to carry a gun where ever you go. Most people who carry or own guns are far, far more likely to cause injury or death to themselves, a relative or a friend, whether intentionally or accidentally, than to stop an intruder. In fact, the statistics in comparison aren't even close. But common sense has never been part of the equation.
joey
6:56 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
@jd151
using that logic, you can say with confidence that people who ride the roller coaster are far, far more likely to get hurt in a roller coaster accident, than people who never ride the roller coaster...state the obvious much?
Pat Riot
7:27 pm on Monday, July 25, 2011
wow... just wow... you made so much sense. I'm going to stop carrying my gun because I will never be around a shooting and need to defend someone, and I should never find myself in a situation where I will be afraid again so I don't need to defend myself.
But wait, I'm too old to fight, and too young to die yet, so I guess when a criminal (a relative perhaps?) attacks me, I'll just shoot him. Thanks for defending the criminal, but we'll take it from here.
Jack Burton
10:21 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
It must be terrible to be so afraid to walk out the door of your house so scared of what might happen that you have to have a spare tire in your car where ever you go. Most people who drive cars with spares are far, far more likely to have a flat tire themselves, whether intentionally or accidentally, than someone who doesn't drive a car. In fact, the statistics in comparison aren't even close. But common sense has never been part of the equation.
Joji Jong
7:07 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
How would someone rob you? The criminal would hide somewhere and jump out unexpectedly to either clobber you or demand your belongings. In other words there would be an element of surprise. In that moment of surprise, you either are knocked out or asked to raise your hands and forfeit your belongings. The chances of you outdrawing your attacker are slim to none. In many cases it is exactly how criminals actually obtain a firearm.
At one time, you could count on the police arriving if you reported seeing a gun. That's not a crime any more. So the cops won't show up until a crime is committed. That doesn't seem very sensible to me unless we want vigilantism.
Additionally any routine traffic stop now has to be treated as a possible armed stand-off. Be prepared to see police officers spend more time approaching your vehicle if you get stopped with their hands on their weapons. It's a customary precaution if they think you might be armed, which now everyone could possibly be.
I also wonder how many of the folks who talk about shooting criminals could actually do that. The difference between a criminal and non-criminal is the hesitation to offend. How easy is it to shoot another person? I don't think it's as easy as it is to talk about. If there is a serious threat to your life or a loved one's, perhaps it's easier. But what if you're witnessing an armed robbery at a gas station or of a stranger? Or there's mass chaos - like in Riverwest a few weeks ago?
CowDung
9:37 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Officers typically approach cars with the assumption that the driver has a weapon. Concealed carry isn't going to change that...
Pat Riot
10:07 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
I've been in hostile situations with and without a firearm. Without one, my reaction is to walk away as fast as I can. The men that were seeking to rob me were taller, had knives, and were used to violence, I wasn't. On the other hand, when I had my firearm, I simply exposed it and placed my hand on it. The men in THAT situation walked away quietly.
Criminals do not want to face armed Resistance. If they were brave, they would have real jobs.
But I often wonder why someone would work so hard to protect a criminal from a legal gun owner... and I think I know. Do you have a relative that is a criminal? Committing crimes? I can understand that you want them to live, even at the expense of the people they hurt.
Jack Burton
10:27 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
And isn't it amazing, folks, that people who never shot a gun, who are dreadfully afraid of guns, who believe that guns CAUSE good people to go bad, who only barely know which end the bullet comes out of, are somehow the people to whom we should take advice from on how well guns work for self defense?
While we simple-minded, misguided, befuddled people with years and decades of military and other experience with guns in all circumstances really apparently have no clue about how to effectively make guns work, and without the anointed ones guidance we will merrily continue to shoot ourselves in our feet, kill our children, and generally screw up society?
Like they say: When you're sick you go to a car mechanic; when you're in court you need a good butcher; and when you want to know something about how to defend yourself, you go to Mr. Factless.
cornelia beilke
7:28 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Dangerous situations shoukd be handled by qualified, trained people, such as police. Just because I know how to shoot a gun does not mean I can handle and assess a situation correctly. If we need more protection it would be wise to work towards spending taxpayer money on protecting taxpayers, i.e. improving and increasing the police force.
Just because I know how to use a knife, I am not qualified to perform open heart surgery!
Pat Riot
10:08 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
And if there are no trained police officers around when your child is being assaulted at a street corner? Would you prefer that she protect herself, or submit to the assault?
Jack Burton
10:23 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
No woman needs to protect herself from rape, assault or murder and should just leave crime prevention to the Police who are properly equipped to investigate following the crime's completion. Women using a gun in self-defense interferes with and makes the attempted crime a "non-event," which unnecessarily complicates the Police investigation. Any woman who does this should be put in jail for interfering with an investigation
G Twenty Six
10:10 am on Thursday, November 17, 2011
"Just because I know how to use a knife, I am not qualified to perform open heart surgery!"
But you are qualified to cut up a steak to eat it, or chop up vegetables, or spread peanut butter.
Just because I know how to use a gun does not qualify me to be a Navy Seal.
But it does qualify me to protect my family or myself.
Daniel S.
7:53 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Sounds like there is an awful lot of people living in some dream world or movie land that does not exist in reality. The fact is, people attack people in all sorts of places in a wide variety of ways. They don't use an element of surprise all the time. Often they follow you, or watch you and then move on you when you are distracted. At places like ATM's your parked car, while in your car at a stoplight, while you are at home alone or asleep at night. All people deserve the right to protect themselves from the possibility of personal attack or attack on those they are in the company of. In addition, the fact that someone has a job and supposedly has been trained, doesn't make them anymore qualified than someone who is not in that job. Many people are qualified to do jobs they are not employed in.
Scott Walker
8:46 am on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Another reason to laugh at Illinois
Jim Raffel
11:13 am on Wednesday, July 27, 2011
I would encourage Patch to confirm the authenticity of an account carrying the name of an elected official. I find it difficult to believe Scott Walker would make the above comment.