This is the worst intersection in Port that always has car crashes. I live in the Greystone subdivision. It is poorly lit at night and too fast of a speed limit (45 mph). It going to take the city a death(or two) to make this safer!!

It needs a stop light or flashing red lights. the reduced speed limit has done nothing...

Unfortunately the speed reduction hasn't done anything. The road has a higher traffic volume and a big, long open span for driving, so people don't obey it any better than the other posted mph signs in the city. MPH reduction has always been the city's #1 go to for incidents. They need to seriously move beyond this and put up MORE signs like on hwy 33 and a 4 way stop.

I agree with Jill. I live in Sunset Rd apartments and i always see accidents there. People don't honestly care about the speed reduction (even though they'll be speeding right past the justice center lol). Maybe they should put a round about there instead of so many on 33...a stop light would work too but that costs electricity. I mean if people werent stupid and actually paid attention to the stop signs there wouldnt be as many problems...unfortunately people are incompetant and fly through it anyway so it obviously isnt helping stop any accidents.

A great place for a round-about...along with Sunset and Spring St....

I was in a accident there about 4 years ago, had my son, we were both ok. I totally agree in putting a round a bout or a stop light,

Maybe drivers need to learn how to drive in the round a bouts first. I was hit a few weeks ago in one. Drivers do not slow down to 15 mph but actually speed up trying to beat the cars that are already in the round a bouts.

We know it wasn't a round a bout. Readers were suggestiing maybe it should be changed to a round a bout for safety reasons and my comment is many people don't know how to drive in a round a bout.

It annoys me how much road engineering has to pander to crappy drivers.

Tom, as one who says they are involved with public safety, when an area of roadway has had so many accidents for many many many years that should tell you that crappy drivers aren't the only problem. Clearly this intersection has had so many accidents I wonder if the city can even count that high. Unfortunately drivers aren't perfect and neither are engineers.

Vic, I don't disagree with you there but that's another story in itself. Try driving this intersection multiple times a day with your family on board and see the near misses coming at you where you slam on the brakes and pray. Yes, unfortunately you have people who don't pay attention, text and drive, and are just plainly poor drivers but that doesn't give us a safer intersection. It's the innocent people who are constantly getting injured here because of some disregard no matter what it may be.

How many accidents are we talking about? I have lived very near here (in the Bley Park subdivision) for almost 20 years and this is the first accident I have ever been aware of.
I know there have been quite a few accidents on Sunset and Spring St. The road is at such an angle that its hard to see cars coming from both ways.
Why would there need to be another stop sign or roundabout at LL and Sunset? People who come to the stop sign need to actually stop and wait until its clear.

Patty, let me say that I had worked for PWFD for years (past tense) and rescue calls are sent here constantly. Several times per month at times. Talk to a fellow police officer or EMT/firefighter and they can tell you. I also live in Greystone and often assist on scenes and have been a witness to many accidents. Spring and Grand, Spring and Sunset are very common areas as well for accidents too. Unfortunately the higher speeds (which supposedly are reduced to 35mph now) cause the more serious accidents on Sunset and LL.

I don't believe they always "blow" the stop sign. I'm sure many have. People do not gauge the speeds of the cars traveling LL and think they can make it. I'm done arguing. If it was your family being hauled away in the ambulance or helicopter I'm sure you would want to do something to make this area a safer place to drive through.

The bottom line to vehicle safety is to drive defensively. If you don't "watch out for the other guy," you will get in an accident. I strictly adhere to this policy, and have been accident free for my total driving years of which happens to be forty-one. Hope I didn't jinx myself posting this!

i live in the harbor ridge apartments right next to that intersection and drive through it almost daily so scary

Why not put stop signs for the north and south bound lanes. We live on LL just north of that intersection, and people are blowing through on the north and south bound lanes over 50 MPH regularly. Jill hit the nail on the head, people are just driving to fast on LL south of Hwy 33.

I drove thru that intersection speeding texting while eating a big mac I made it thru just fine

Oh my dog was also jumping around in my front seat and I was not wearing

I think a four way stop is the way to go here. I live on South Spring Street and go to that gas station all the time. There is ALWAYS someone trying to cross that intersection and attempting to beat the speeding traffic coming from both ways. A few months ago I watched as my husband and daughter were in the car ahead of me also going to the gas station and a car pulled out from Sunset and Almost broadsided their car. If my husband wasn't such an attentive driver the outcome could have been tragic. He was forced to slam on his brakes and swerve to avoid a collision. That person never hesitated and just kept driving. And Dave.....You sound like an accident waiting to happen. I can only hope there is no one else near you when your luck runs out.

The city has a number of problem intersections. From my own time on ambulance, my experience is that the most frequent crashes were at the intersections of Spring and Sunset, followed by Jackson and Franklin. Those accidents (in my experience) that happened at Sunset and LL were less frequent, but more serious.

To reduce the frequency of accidents, stop signs, stop lights, intersection redesigns (such as limiting turns, improving visibility, etc.) are usually best to address the problem. Sunset and Spring, because of its volume of traffic, is begging for a traffic light / roundabout, while that would not make any sense at Jackson and Franklin, where visibility is the main issue.

In the case of Sunset and LL, if my own experiences are true, the issue is not frequency but severity of accidents. The county, if it has done its job, should have statistics on that. If that's the case, the solution is speed control and enforcement. The reduced speed is a good start, but I anticipate that there will be a very heavy police monitoring of traffic speed around this intersection going forward.

Sunset and spring is bad too...we've lived in sunset rd apartments for 2 years and have seen pleanty of accidents at both intersections...i think a round about would be great at LL and sunset and a stop light would prob be better for spring and sunset due to the high traffic. I really hope people in charge of city decisions sees this and that the people of this town would like something done!

Maybe we should be less concerned about the road right now and maybe focus on if everyone in yesterdays accident is ok!

State and County highways are intended for efficient transportation of people and goods. Lowering the speed limits should be the last option. Statistics are important and need to be applied to evaluate needs. I have NEVER seen an accident at this intersection, so there can not ALWAYS be accidents there. Car counts are also important, maybe some of the focus should be moved to not having a primary highway, hwy. 33, closed for two years, for no good reason.

Greg, explain for us, if you will, how the stretch of road on LL, from Spring Street to Sunset (a distance of, perhaps a quarter mile) would, at a 10mph reduction, harm the "efficient transportation of people and goods."

The municipalities have a balance to maintain, and that is the primary needs of the roads against the safety risks of those roads. Here, if the statistics show a hazard (and I agree with you that the statistics should be the measure), perhaps a small tweak is necessary. The 10 mph reduction will cost drivers on this stretch of road about 5 seconds of time (assuming it is a quarter mile).

Barb,
I think People are expressing their frustration with this intersection because they know that unless changes are made immediately there will continue to be accidents here. I for one am praying for the safe recovery of all involved but I also strongly believe something needs to be done to fix this dangerous intersection once and for all before there are more accidents like this.

Greg,
I dont know how often you go through either intersection but i can see both from my front porch and there are a lot of accidents at both. They arent always big ones that require media but there are quite a few fender benders. Efficent travel is good but more important is saftey.

From the 33 roundabout the speed limit traveling south is 35mph for a short stretch then increases to 45mph far prior to this intersection. For whatever the cause(stupidity, blowing the stop sign) a car traveling at the assumed 50mph hitting a car rolling/blowing the stop sign = serious accidents. Having police monitor speeds is a start, but does not stop a speeder unless they sit there 24/7. Increasing the safety of this intersection would require proper lighting, street signage, reduced speeds, and a 4 way stop. With a 4 way stop~ those who you think cause the accidents by blowing the stop sign can now just play bumper cars with each other instead of a t-bone situation at 40-50 mph. There is also a day care on the corner which has seen it's share of debris. Thank god they have fencing!

Install a jump ramp on Spring street and jump over the intersection .Wait the state would install a gaint overhead sign and we would jump thru it..Maybe place a slow down sign before the intersection .Just take one off of hwy 33 no one would miss it.

Sounds like a plan Dave! Borrow a few street lights too. Because burying the unsightly electric lines for X amount of $$$$$ was worth the beautification they achieved. Oh I did I forget to mention a major expensive bike trail that crosses not far from this intersection? I bet if we kill a biker or pedestrian then something would give.

Any updates about those involved? Understand e everyones frustrations. It is good you all are takling about the safety of the intersection. But if you feel something needs to be done, and want something done, get on the city agenda, and take it up with the board. We should be sending out positive thought and prayers to those involved.

past data is helpful, but get a car count from this spring/summer alone. Traffic patterns have now changed. I've been to at least 3 accidents there, including a rollover. My concern IS for those involved, I've been on FFL, I've cared for innocent victims lying on their death beds in ICU. I agree this needs a rally on the agenda. And I'm glad to hear someone mentioned minor injuries to the others, hopefully the person who was flighted is also doing ok!

Greg,
Stats or not i can personally SEE both intersections from my house...even if they want to say there are 2.2 accidents there a year i personally see at least 2 close calls per week between the two intersections. It is dangerous and something needs to be done. I dont think a lower speed limit would make a difference at all...but people should have to stop from all ways which would force people to slow down. Also 2.2 accidents per year is a lot considering most intersections have 0 per year. You seem too coorperate and not concerned for the saftey of the public and if you sat there and observed both intersections you too would see that something needs to change.

Maybe if people would pay attention their wouldnt be such a problem. The problem isn't the intersection, its the people behind the wheel not paying attention and speeding through town. idiot drivers are the cause of accidents..

My thoughts are with the drivers first we need to alert them with led light up signs directly above thier lanes az you come to the intersections mentioned wa also need to alert them with the rumpble stips in the road to spur thier cautious driving mode... I firmly feel the round abouts af far more pricey and for so many creats a fear that diminishes thier efficient usd of the round about and creates frustrations to those adept at thier efficient use. If the cheap bright led sings and warning grooves cut into the pavment are found to be inadequate. to curb these issues then abrige or overpass should be investigated to avoid a round about mayhem. To me the worst (deadliest) is cars from 32 south cutting over the north bound lanes. I always hear the valid complaint that at. Certain point all those signs in the median line up and block the view of the north bound cars but the bigger problem ive heard is people headed north bound getting hit there because they had thier right turn signal on and the crossing car assumed they were going to turn onto thier ramp sper but at the last moment didn't and kept going blinker and all... Again all i think could be done is a overpass or bridge if you will (a tunnel would be way cooler though) ... Just my observations and 2 cents

Above I ment where southbound 32 traffic crosses over to hit southbound 43 as the deadliest intersection.

Dave are you always such a jerk???

Any updates yet? It has been nearly a week now!

Missing Ozaukee Cty it is in the same place and has not moved check the map

Officers were called to an accident at the roundabout at the intersection of Highways LL and 33 about 12:20 p.m. Aug. 15.
A 19-year-old Port Washington woman was heading north in the roundabout when her 1997 Saturn was struck by a 2002 Buick driven by an 83-year-old
Saukville man who entered the traffic circle, police said.
The force of the collision caused the Saturn to spin onto the northeast sidewalk, police said.
The Saukville man was cited for failure to yield the right of way, according to police.

Two vehicles — a southbound Honda Civic driven by a 44-year-old Port woman and an eastbound Buick Rendezvous driven by an 84-year-old Port man —
collided at the intersection of North Spring Street and Grand Avenue about 10:30 a.m. Aug. 13.
After the crash, the Buick struck a traffic signpost and a traffic signal pole before coming to rest on the sidewalk, police said.
Both drivers said they had a green light so they entered the intersection, police said.

Just wanted to let you know...it was HUNTER Watry, not Henry