TGFSW!!!! Wonderful day..................

"Thank God For State Workers"

Another LIE by the habitual lying Governor Walker!

RepJorgensen Andy Jorgensen
PolitiFact Wisconsin | Gov. Scott Walker says 2 years ago, we had “the largest deficit ever in Wisconsin” #wirecall politifact.com/wisconsin/stat…
24 minutes ago

We rate his statement False.

Yaaaa!! Protesters leave.............. shamed right out............ LOL

Repubican quotes:
"Use live ammunition."
— Indiana Deputy Atty. Gen. JEFF COX, who was later fired, in a Feb. 19 tweet on the best way to clear pro-union demonstrators out of Wisconsin's Capitol building

"Leftists and jihadists have thrown in together … not because they have anything at all in common other than that they hate conservatives and they don't care that much for Christianity."
— U.S. Rep. LOUIE GOHMERT (R-Texas), repeating a conspiracy theory popularized by Fox News' Glenn Beck, in a March 9 appearance on American Family Radio

"If shooting these immigrating feral hogs works, maybe we have found a [solution] to our illegal immigration problem."
— Kansas State Rep. VIRGIL PECK (R), in remarks during a March 9 House Appropriations Committee hearing for which he later apologized at the insistence of Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback

"I wish we had a Siberia so we could ship them all off to freeze to death and die."
— Freshman New Hampshire State Rep. MARTIN HARTY (R), 91, referring to the mentally ill in remarks he later described as "kidding" but for which he resigned, as reported in the Concord (N.H.) Monitor on March 11

Another quote from the Republican Mental Institution.....Musician Ted Nugent tells FOX News’s Neil Cavuto, “I’m the expert on the health care bill because I kill pigs.” And it’s the “communist, Mao, Che agenda of the communist, Mao, Che fans in the White House. They’re pigs, Neil! We gotta kill the pig.” Nugent claims the health care law is about the redistribution of wealth.

"The Tosa Pig pen is full, fence off the opening"

Ha ha.

http://yfrog.com/nxsggomj

SpudLovr Spud Lovr
To assist people coming into 'Tosa for Walker Rally :) yfrog.com/nxsggomj Shared by @WiscJobsNow via @yfrog #wiunion

If you Americans really care about you're country, then I suggest you all take 17 minutes and watch this film. It was made in 1947 by the U.S. War Department.
"Don't Be a Sucker" is its title. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-pxUIBO5EU

If you guys really care about "saving This Country" then I suggest a short movie made by the U.S. War Department in 1947 titled "Do Not Be a Sucker" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-pxUIBO5EU

In the steaming pile that is the teaocracy party, Walker stands apart. Kind of like a kernel of used corn amongst sewage that are republicans

"Celebrate Walker started with a group of conservative Facebook friends and was intended originally as a social gathering of 100 to 200 people. But as word spread, one after another major Republican speaker got on board."

ANOTHER lie!!! In fact, a particularly stupid and insulting lie. Whoever wrote this didn't even bother to try to put it as a quotation.

No-one (with half a brain) believes such rubbish. It was obviously ALWAYS intended -- and planned -- to attract as many attendees and attention as possible.

When will the lies stop? At long last, has Scott Walker NO sense of honor, honesty and decency?

The Republican party has caused more damage to this country than any terrorist could of hoped for. KICK THE ENTIRE PARTY TO THE CURB by whatever means necessary

The guy doesn't really seem Human. Blasted a hole in the budget with a massive giveaway to richie rich then filled it with the corpses of the middle class and he wants to be seen as a hero.

Reading through the comments by former gov. Thompson and other Republicans, it is striking to me how divisive those people are. "Black and blue?" Really? Against working-class Wisconsinites? With those types of attitudes, it's no wonder voters are fed up with them.

The other thing that occurs to me is that if pro-Walker people are estimating the turnout at 2,500-3,000, you can bet the actual number doesn't exceed 700.

Looks like a desperate " Please like me " rally It's simple, Scott Walker. You should not have sold out the American people to corporations.

Walker rejected the federal health care money and the federal transportation money . Money offered to improve the health care of the citizens of Wisconsin and to improve the transportation infrastructure . Money that came out of the pockets of Wisconsin tax payers . Money that the citizens of Wisconsin was never never given a choice to keep or reject . Because Walker , the dictator , did the deciding for his own personal political reasons .

Scott Walker and every Republican supporting him is no different than the Chinese government who, by the way, work very hard to squash unions.

What? Walker is a good man? You don't call somebody good for ruining hopes and dreams of thousands for the benefit of a handful of rich cronies ....

What "wonderful" prepared talking points all you anti-Walker people have. How about backing up what you say with actual _facts_ sometime? Oh, wait, you don't have any.

Celebration party? I think it's a goodbye party. la la la la, hey hey, goodbye You deserve this Walker, your a bully working for the man and not governing for the good of the people.

Would you like a list of doyle corporate welfare? What you keep you head in the sand for the past decade?

http://www.commerce.wi.gov/php/awards/awardList.php

Sen. Leah Vukmir warmed up the crowd as first speaker by challenging the protesters who had gathered outside the event perimeter, saying "those people over there" deserved shame. Immediately, a chant of "Shame, shame, shame" went up from the crowd. Really professional Leah!

Walker seems to be having a bout of paranoia - he thinks "big labor bosses" are out to get him. It's not the million-plus working-class Wisconsinites who signed his recall petitions who want him out... it's "big labor bosses."

Well, after slashing the budget for mental health services, if Walker does break down and needs some care, make sure he gets in the back of the line like everyone else.

The Union thugs have the Walker pro-testers right where they want you. You either Believe in Capitalism and Liberty OR communism and socialism. It's quite clear which direction you are taking.

The incredible amount of denial about all of the good that Scott Walker has done for this state is simply pathetic. The class warfare argument is getting old. The people in Hart Park today are the working class and we are also the informed. The rest of the country envies how Scott Walker has turned us in the right direction. The rest of you might want to consider moving to Illinois if you can't appreciate reality.

Ummmm erro...... IL residents already found on petitions...... don't speak so fast....... LOL

TGFSW!!!!

The rest of the country doesn't live in this mess! I seen the working class you speak of down there. You couldn' swing a dead cat without hitting a BMW or Lexus! By the way I didn't see many Chevys or Fords.

Wow! I can not believe all the negative comments from one Pro-Walker demonstration! I guess if the attendees had brought their huckas and crapped all over the park then the looney left would accept it.
Christ people, get a life and accept it for what it is: a demonstration of continued support.

I guess Stosh forgot his stash.

TGFSW... I couldn't go today, but thank you to all the speakers and the people who attended!

Forward Walker = Forward Wisconsin!

Just wondering if the left is going to protest and recall every future election they lose? Sure looks that way. Hmmmm... Darn pesky elections. How dare anyone be a conservative. Why not just get rid of all of them and have one ruling Democratic party permanently.. Just wondering.

2,000 people? That's a lame turnout

Anybody know how much the Koch brothers paid for those
buses?....You think they got a big discount for renting in bulk?

My goodness, my friends on the left. Go back and read all your comments. Are you all really that full of hate? Shame. It can't be healthy to be so nasty and full of ....bile.

Looks like I hit a nerve, Dee.

I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nimwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, sh##-kickers, and Methodists!"
Taggart: "Could you repeat that, sir?"

@ Michael

You need to be more careful with whom you jump to agree. Saxon Realm aka White Supremacist World is a http://www.stormfront.org stormtrooper. Try reading his other comments, huh?

too bad he stands against Martin Luther King Jr., who supported Unions and workers' rights, and was actually assassinated during a rally he held with striking wokers. You are on Walker's side, I am on Martin Luther King's side.

I have to say that the liberals sure got their goat up that anyone dare stand up for Walker. I've never seen so many vile comments on one post in such a short time. The left has pretend signatures, now we just have to watch for pretend voters.

Bring on the election, we're ready! The best you have is a half-crazed loon in Falk, Barrett who actually used the tools of Act 10, and Cullen?...Who??....I hear crickets!

How about some facts then: 1. Wisconsin has had job loss every month since Walker's budget repair bill was passed. We even had the dishonor of leading the entire nation in jobs lost in October(we were in the top 5 3 other times). 2. Wisconsin's tax burden is the highest since 2006. 3. Walker admitted to lying about balancing our budget. Documents released yesterday show that he admitted, in writing, to our state's budget not being balanced, even though he has been telling us and anyone who would listen, that is was balanced. Waiting for [talking point] UNIONS blah blah blah...TEACHERS.....blah blah blah....JOB CREATORS....blah blah blah [\endtalkingpoint]

At least the unions ALLOW a vote from the members where the money goes, the same can not be said for the stockholders of the corporations that buy candidates.

Cynthia, with all due respect, and I'm not sure any is actually due, you remind me of a glassy-eyed Moonie. Rememember the [Korean preacher, Sun Myung Moon, current owner of the Washington Times] Moonies? (*laughing*)

Here's another acronym for you to chew on Cindy: DWAWDKWHHAHR [Don't worry about Walker. David Koch will hire him after he's recalled.]

Anyway, I'm glad that you're SO excited. One of those deceptive adrenaline rushes still got you PUMPED, huh?! Well, enjoy your wingnut wet dream while it lasts, girl. A harsh, new, Walker-free reality awaits you in just a few short months. And, THEN, you'll have the re-election of President Obama to have to wrap your brain around. Poor girl. Hope you can handle it.

Koch buys the governor , why shouldn't unions buy justice for workers?

Where was Walker? My God-

@ Brian Dey

Brian Dey wrote: "have to say that the liberals sure got their goat up that anyone dare stand up for Walker. I've never seen so many vile comments on one post in such a short time."

There are four possible explanations for your comment: (1) you're delusional, (2) you're just being a disingenuous partisan hack, (3) you've never read a comment thread and/or (4) you're blind, and you have Governor Walker and/or one of your disingenuous partisan hack wingnut buddies selectively reading to you from comment threads like this one.

You're not doing your "team" any good with comments like that, sweetheart.

@ FL Born

Do yourself a favor, homeboy, take a valium. Then, just go back to the whiny, self-absorbed rightwing echo chamber from which you emerged.

Why are the anti-Walker gang so upset that this "little" crowd of people got together to support their cause. Like I've said before, the lib motto is "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine".

Zuma Bound

1. You are either a teacher that steals from our children. 2. One of the four people leaning on a shovel while one works. 3. A paid union hack. 4. Love to have your hands in other peoples pockets. I'm thinking one or all of the above. My team is on the right side, yours is walking off a cliff. You've been exposed as being the real greed in America. I don't feel bad for you because you have been an elite class brought down to size.

When I see collective bargaining in the Constitution,the Bill of Rights or 1964 Civil Rights Act, then I will feel you are oppressed. You are not in a protected class so give it up that you lost your rights. You should have had 1.1 million because thats how many voted for Barrett and you couldn't even get that.

Sadly, hehehe, we are witnessing the death of the Democratic Party in Wisconsin. Can't wait to see you whiners when you lose again.

@ mau

Well KOCH, mau KOCH, no KOCH one KOCH is KOCH really KOCH that KOCH upset KOCH, well KOCH, other KOCH than KOCH all KOCH the KOCH Walker KOCH supporters KOCH here. [@ all wingnuts here, don't blow a gasket trying to figure out, or complain about, the KOCH thing. Sister mau will get it. It's kind of an inside joke, right, mau? (*laughing*)]

Anyway, the thing that I've noticed, mau, is that wingnuts/teabaggers/rightwingers tend to project a lot on to progressives in comment threads like this one. We may not agree with you, but our panties just don't get all up in a bunch like those of the wingnuts/teabaggers/rightwingers present in any given forum seem to bget. But, ironically, the wingnuts/teabaggers/rightwingers always seem to be chomping at the bit, ready to jump at any opportunity to suggest that progressives are upset and bent out of shape.

You need to just chill, girl. The progressives here are just fine. However, that said, you might want to counsel your histrionic wingnut brethren here and elsewhere to just chill, as well.

Adrenaline rushes are one thing. Reality is quite another. Walker is going down. It's high time that all of you (yes, Cynthia, I'm talking to you, *wink*) reconciled yourselves to that.

@ Brian Dey

Okay, we have a winner. "Delusional" it is. (*laughing*)

Take care, my misguided [and delusional] wingnut brother.

Howard Johnsons right, If we dont stand up now then when. This is some of the best frontier gibberish I read in a long time RrrrrrVvvvrant Hurumpf, hurumpf

Brian
its sounds as if your expierencing class envy. I thought was reserved for the 1%'ers. But I dont think anybody can do anything about that. So lets go after people we can get and turn them all into shop keepers and buisness owners. Or are they the lazy ones who will burden us even morrrre.

I say good for them. Let them have their moment like this. We have had and will have plenty. And now, they really cannot criticize us for demonstrating as they now have...right?? For a year now we have been insulted over and over for simply organizing events just like this one. They weren't there so they could make false claims about messiness, drug use and paid protesters. Of course, WE knew they werent true. I say let's not stoop to that, let them have their moment of glory before it is too late. They may follow a different "drummer" but perhaps now they can understand a bit more how exciting it can be to stand up for what you truly believe in with events like this. Maybe there was SOME kind of enlightenment. And if not, no harm done.

So proud to be at the Walker rally today, witnessing firsthand the great enthusiasm and energy in support of Gov. Walker and all the progress he and Republican legislators have made for our state. By the way, I'm not rich, was not paid to be there, and drove myself. I stood side by side other clear-thinking, hard-working, honorable Wisconsinites for three hours on a sun-filled, glorious winter day. It was fantastic,

@ Brian Dey

Oh, one other thing Bri Bri. . .

"[Not so s]adly, hehehe, we are witnessing the death of the [Republican/Teapublican Party [everywhere]. Can't wait to see you [back here after] you lose [again and] again."

Cheers, Brian. You're just on the wrong side of history.

What a stupid thing for Walker to say!

funnylady57 Funnylady57
PolitiFact Wisconsin | Gov. Scott Walker says the state's jobs data is unreliable politifact.com/wisconsin/stat… #FLIPFLOP #wirecall #recallwalker

...What’s the bottom line?

Walker took credit for gains in state jobs for six months of 2011, as the monthly reports showed steady progress toward his promise of creating 250,000 jobs. In the second half of the year, the numbers began to decline and the governor’s approach shifted, with Walker in December criticizing the quality of the data.

But nothing had changed in how the data was collected.

Only Walker’s pronouncements on their accuracy. We rate this a Full Flop.

@ mau

mau: "WOW, 'wingnuts/teabaggers/rightwingers' tend to project a lot on to progressives in comment threads like this one'. Is that all you know how to do, call someone you disagree with names?"

Zuma: Well, mau, "wingnuts", "teabaggers" and "rightwingers" are just terms of art. That you take them as name-calling is just evidence of how thin-skinned you are. "Teabaggers" cluelessly coined the term "teabaggers" long before progressives starting mocking them over their use of it. You knew that, right? That said, you conveniently overlooked my substantive point in the process of expressing all of that faux outrage, didn't you?

mau: "And if you are going to try to copy my comments with "KOCH", then you better learn to proof read."

Zuma: Yeahhhhhh, you're gonna have to explain just what in the heck you mean by that. All I did was imitate (and, yes, MOCK) the technique you employed over on that article we both commented about in the Menomonee Falls Patch. What's "proof-reading" got to do with anything?! When exactly did you lose your sense or whimsy and humor, mau? Hmmmmmm?

To be continued. . .

@ mau (continued)

mau: "And I [sic] not your sister [sic] nor am I a girl."

Zuma: Are you REALLY that white?! (*laughing*) I guess that you're just not "street" enough to understand the terminology. Get out of the boondocks, or at least out of the house, once in awhile, GIRL. They're terms of endearment, more than anything else, mau. Jeez, talk about thin-skinned. (*laughing*)

"It isn't over til it's over."

Get we'll see, huh? Maybe you should offer that same advice to your hyperventilating, super-prognosticating wingnut brethren, too, all right?

"And even if your side happens to prevail, I will do just fine. I've made it through all kinds of political administrations."

Zuma: Good. Glad to hear it. You should share your purported equanimity with your wingnut brethren. They're apparently not so even-keeled about things.

You know what, mau. I have a lot of respect for the fact that you chose to be a stay-at-home mom, devoted to the upbringing of her children. My mom did the same thing. But, honestly, it seems like you have something of an overly defensive, thin-skinned inferiority complex nipping at your heels as the proximate result of not pursing a different course. That said, you'll prove to be a more effective advocate if you can keep it in check, or, better yet, succeeded in resolving it.

Anyway, you seem like a good person, just one with a skewed political perspective.

Take care of yourself.

With kind regards,
Zuma

@ Cynthia

LOL. . .and DWAWDKWHHAHR. . .(*wink*). . .

Take care.

All across these Patch boards for a year now, the TeaGOP has mocked us for yelling SHAME. Well, looky here--ha ha. What a bunch of hypocrites you all are!!

ConcrndConsvMom B Detes
@LeahVukmir inspired as she reminded audience of our progress & got crowd yelling "SHAME" at #WIUnion protestors! twitpic.com/8a4kn3

I heard attendance figures by organizers were grossly over estimated.

I support the First Amendment right to free speech, unlike Governor Walker. Glad all you Teapublicans had a good time exercising your First Amendment rights while trying to deny them to people with a different viewpoint who attended your rally. But that point is probably lost on you guys.

@ FL Born

FL Born wrote: "You just proved my point."

Zuma: Yeahhhh, big guy, I don't think so. (*laughing*)

FL Born: "Try saying something intelligent with that pea brain of yours."

Zuma: Erudite, as always. (*laughing*) In any event, you don't have a clue about me, homeboy.

Florida born, huh? I used to regularly fly into Jacksonville on business back in the mid-1990s, back when it was considered to be the heir apparent to the Seattle "grunge" scene. Anyway, I had enough experience with "Florida boys", especially those from northern Florida, up near the Georgia border, to understand why you seem to be such a close-minded dimwit.

Take care of yourself, my misguided wingnut brother. We're done here.

Good starting numbers. You have some catching up to do though.

Cheers.

analieseeicher and GomerWHoward retweeted @SpudLovr:
2,000-plus turn out to "Celebrate Walker" in WI shar.es/fn92d One million celebrated his recall #wiunion #p2

@ Brian Dey

"When Walker gets re-elected, I hope he does away with your pension and replaces it with a 401K. I hope he takes away grievences. I hope he makes you pay at least 25% of your healthcare like most Wisconsinites. And even better, privatize snowplowing, schools, etc

Here are the rights you have: You have the right to quit your job (the waiting list is tremendously long to have your job), you have the right to leave this state (why not, your Senators did), and you have the right to remain silent. If you don't exercise the first two, please exercise the third because we already have enough cheese in this state to go with your whine."

Bravo, Bri Bri, bravo, you blowhard. You don't have a clue about me.

I'm a successful small businessman, a music industry lawyer whose wallet, alone, would probably crush you.

As I gaze out from the deck of my Malibu beach house, I don't worry about job security or about how my retirement, if it ever comes, will be funded. I do, however worry about how people less fortunate will make ends meet with oligarchical lapdogs like Walker in office, screwing the middle class into which I was born, and in which I was raised. Scott Walker revealed to the world EXACTLY who he is in the conversation that he THOUGHT he was having with David Koch, and in the policies that he has pursued.

At what point do people like you get realistic about things like six straight months of job losses from someone who guaranteed AT LEAST 250,000 new jobs?

This is fantasitc! And we didn't need to bus in a bunch of government union hacks to get these crowds. The malcontents have had their day. And that is such a sweet thing!

@ morninmist

"All across these Patch boards for a year now, the TeaGOP has mocked us for yelling SHAME. Well, looky here--ha ha. What a bunch of hypocrites you all are!!"

Ain't that the truth, brother.

Nice to see the 800 lb. gorilla flex it's muscles. Hopefully Wisconsin progresses ahead to save the middle class from the lunatic fringe. The days of regressive unionist entitlements are finally over. On Wisconsin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a California Political Student (in my 60's!) commenting on the posts: THEY'RE GREAT!! Reminds me of the 60's and 70's! love the enthusiasm!

@ Tony

Yeah, Tony. . .Just a bunch of Koch employees and out-of-state teabaggers. (*laughing*)

I kid, Tony, I kid. (*wink*) But the reality is that you really don't know where it was that the attendees came from, do you? Besides, you need to cool your jets some, tiger. It was just 3,000 people, assuming the numbers provided by the organizers are accurate (it's not like such numbers EVER get inflated for PR purposes, right?). it wasn't something more impressive, oh, say like 100,000 attendees or a million signatories on a recall petition.

Just out of curiosity, Big T, how many Democratic State Senators are going to be subject to a recall election this year? AND exactly how many seats do the Democrats have to capture of the four Republican State Senate seats that are going to be contested to take control of the State Senate?

Now THOSE are far interesting numbers, don't ya think, T? (*laughing*)

Look, I get it. You guys haven't had much to cheer about lately. So, go for it. Yeeee-Hahhhhh!!! Walker fills stadium. . ."What's that?". . .Oh, THAT's very different (hat tip to Emily Latella). . .Well, at least it wasn't just a pitiful handful of people on a corner, huh? (*laughing*)

Walker's done, Tony. Might as well get used to it.

@ Dirk

"Nice to see the 800 lb. gorilla flex it's muscles."

Even if the attendance numbers being bandied about are accurate, Dirk, this rally doesn't really bring 800 pound gorillas to mind. An anemic baboon maybe. . .

That said, I'm glad that it gives you something to feel good about for a minute.

In the end, reality will impinge, and your wingnut wet dream will dissipate, but enjoy it while it lasts, big guy.

Walker's going down, along with Kleefisch and the Republican State Senate majority.

@ mau

mau: "I don't need your respect or your advice on how to be an effective advocate."

Zuma: Yeahhhh, I'm not so sure about that.

mau: "And I'm still not your sister and girl. Plus I'm not ashamed of being white."

Zuma: All right, girl, whatever. You really should do something about that "thin skin" of yours, though. (*wink*)

Anyway, I didn't say you should be ashamed of being white, or even of being as unhip as your reaction to all of this suggests you are. For the record, I'm white. Growing up in the San Francisco Bay Area, I've just had different life experiences than you. The point that I was making had to do with your myopia re my use of certain terms. The reality is that you misunderstood my use of them because, for a variety of reasons, you've led a more "sheltered", monochomatic life than I have, and you're partisan blinders are just thick enough to obscure your understanding of where I was coming from.

I may throw some sharp elbows here and there, but I'm also trying to have a little fun along the way, while recognizing that there is a basic kinship which connects all of us across the partisan divide. I was messing with you a little bit, but it wasn't anything personal, and most of the "girl" this, and "sister" that stuff was either just tongue-in-cheek or a sincere, albeit indirect, expression of the fundamental "human family" kinship that you, I and everyone else here shares.

So relax, mau. It's all good.

Peace out, sister. (*wink*)

3,000 people = 800lb Gorilla
100,000 people= 33 1/3 "800lb" Gorilla's

@Cynthia
YOU are one who is misinformed. Perhaps you did not read the article or have trouble comprehending what it said.

"Appearing on a national cable TV show viewed by some 269,000 people, Walker said the state’s largest structural deficit had come two years earlier, under his Democratic predecessor. He was off by seven years and a political party.

We rate his statement False."
...............

Cynthia

10:58 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

You will find that mourningmist is often misinformed..........

Tommy Thompson " Quote ... We are red, they are blue, and when we get done they're gonna be black and blue!" Sounds like a threat of hate and violence there Tommy. I guess alls fair in love and war. So I will only say that if a 747 would have fallen out of the sky and wiped em all out , I would not have shed a tear. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Tommy.

Free to speak - best comment on this thread. I hope ppl can learn from it

Do you have any evidence of this Cynthia?-- or are you as usual just post vile Right Wing Rumors!!
...................
Cynthia

4:37 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

Ummmm erro...... IL residents already found on petitions...... don't speak so fast....... LOL

100,000 show up for a rally, 3,000 show up for a rally. Much more against than for.

If you can't figure out Walker is a Koch tool after that phone call, well many have voted against their better interest for years.

@ Cynthia

"Think what you want.... you will be blindsided once again 2012!!"

See, Cindy, that's what progressives do. They actually think. People like you are all emotion. Need evidence? See the cheerleading behavior in which you were engaging, and which I mercilessly mocked, up above.

We weren't blindsided in 2010, Cindy. We all saw it coming. We weren't happy about it, BUT we saw it coming. Just as we see that "tsunami" reversing course in 2012, starting with Walker, Kleefisch, Fitzgerald, etal. In any event, all Democrats need is to take one of the four State Senate seats being contested in recall elections in the not too distant future.

And all the cheerleading and adrenaline rushes in the world won't change that, girl (hat tip, and a *wink*, to mau).

@ mau

"I try not to get into the name calling other than lib, socialist and such endearing names."

And yet you hyperventilate at the mention of terms like "wingnut", "teabagger" and "rightwinger". Hypocrisy doesn't suit you, mau.

Your comment does reveal something else about you, though. Your self-righteous cluelessness. Progressives are no more socialist than you and the rest of the libertarian clan are, and, yet, you think equating progressivism or liberalism with socialism is "endearing". If you knew what socialism or communism, for that matter, actually was, you'd realize how wildly inaccurate such comparisons are. But, hey, it's feels good to you, right? It gives wingnuts/teabaggers/rightwingesr/okay, AND libertarian housewives a little tingle up and down the leg, a little bit of an endorphin release, to say it. Maybe it's "endearing" in your "world". Everywhere else it's just provincial and inaccurate.

When you say "lib", it's pretty much the same thing. Little tingle up and down the leg (it's a metaphor, mau, just go with it, like Chris Matthews did). Said with no small measure of disrespect, and with the hope that it will irritate the progressives/liberals to whom it is uttered. I'm cool with it, but that doesn't exactly elevate your motivations in using the term, does it, Ms. "Don't name-call"?

Anyway, Ms. "Name-calling is SO wrong", you've got a little bit o' the "pot calling the kettle black" thing going on.

Your way of avoiding "substance"? Hmmmm?

Its a blessing that we are now in a period where the leftist propaganda gets to be answered. Walker took a 3.6 billion dollar deficit and balanced the budget without raising taxes and without laying off the hundreds of teachers and state employees that Doyle did. So Walker asked the state employees to pay some of their health care and some of their retirement. Why is that worse than asking them to take furlough days??? Its not, but the left has to have angry voters.

Lets be real. This isn't about anything but union power. For the last 30 years voters haven't run Wisconsin, public employees unions have. With Walker the voters said lets turn from that arrangement back to the citizens being in control

You want to live in Big Union state? Well look at Illinois, where they now can't afford to pay lottery winners and can't afford to assist funeral directors to bury the indigent dead. Look at the State of Illinois where the governor has laid off 1900 employees http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/illinois&id=8346336 and the mayor of Chicago has laid off 625. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/6525711-418/union-showdown-layoff-notices-at-chicago-city-hall.html

Why in this terrible economy would you Walker haters really want people to lose jobs rather than just share the pain and make contributions that all us private sector workers make. Its all about union power.

@ Brian Dey

Brian: "Wow Zuma Bound, quite a resume, not!. . .Oh, and being a business owner myself, I doubt your claims of vast wealth, because those that have, don't brag about it."

Zuma: I wasn't bragging, Big B, just stating some facts to make a point. It's a new world, Brian. People talk about sh*t. I don't consider my financial success to be a big thing. It is what it is. If it comes up, it comes up. But, hey, I don't look for ways to fit it into a conversation.

In any event, it doesn't take me away from my middle class roots/values (my dad was from the UP, by the way). It is a fact of my life. I lord it over no one because it doesn't mean anything to me. But then a rightwinger like you comes along, making the usual assumptions that rightwingers make about progressives, and it becomes a relevant factor in rebutting those assumptions and the points that you are trying to make with them.

Mis-characterize my mention of it in any way you choose. It doesn't change the thrust of the point that I was making, a point which you conveniently ignored, by the way. it just makes you look like an prickly partisan hack, one whose generation handled the mention of such things in a less open way.

Brian: "[A]ll this crap that is going on means absolutely nothing, because we still win"

Zuma: Better get a new crystal ball. It isn't 2010 anymore. In fact, it's a whole new world. But, guess we'll see, huh, Brian, or should I say, "Grandpa"? (*wink*)

Take care.

Z

@ Heather Rayne Geyer

Heather wrote: "[f]ree to speak - best comment on this thread. I hope people can learn from it.

Zuma: Heather, I was impressed with it, as well.

I voted for Walker and I sent his campaign money. I supported his budget cutting and that public employees should have the same cost for health and retirement benefits as the private sector. I also signed the recall petition because I think he went too far. I have taken personal attacks from family members because of my support of Walker. I am disappointed by the level of discourse displayed by almost all of the responses. There is very little objectivity and respect for the other persons view. Politics should be the place where we should demand the highest standards of discourse and research for the facts. What do we have here? Name calling and neither side for the most part listening or respecting the others view. For my part I'm not impressed by either side here. I may even vote for Walker again; if the Democrats nominate someone like Barret or Doyle; even though I am disgusted by the late night backdoor politics he "employed".
( There is a word many in this state probably wish Walker had payed more attention to. ) To those whose highest thought process is name calling I suggest you take your slogans to Syria and use them on Assad. You might come back with a better appreciation of your opportunities and freedoms here.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITED
MICHAEL J. STRAUSS

SEE THE OTHER SIDE.

What hopes and dreams? No layoffs. No wage reductions. Reduced furloughs.
Hopes and dreams.... Of union domination?

EDWARD: no wage reductions?what are you smokin at that home school?

@ mau (and @ Brian Dey)

For the record, mau, I know that we'd get along just fine. The Right/Left divide is probably THE only thing which would "divide" us, and it is something easily compartmentalized.

Anyway, my dad was born and raised in Calumet, Michigan by a Finnish immigrant father and a German immigrant mother, neither of whom spoke a word of English. After college (Michigan Tech - where he played hockey well enough on the way to a degree in Mechanical Engineering to be offered a contract with the Chicago Black Hawks) and World War II, he ventured west, settled in San Francisco, met/married my mom, invented a few things, had a couple of patents, started an insurance consulting business (he was an expert on elevator safety) and had us. I got my work ethic from him.

Just so you know, regardless of my San Francisco Bay Area upbringing (for the record, Brian, I spent only my first two years in San Francisco, down on the level part of Lombard Street - we moved across the bay to the East Bay, which is where I actually grew up. . .in a Republican household), I had "AuH20" bumper stickers on my school binders in 1964, I was decrying Bill Clinton's duplicity in 1994 and I voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and in 2004.

So, whatever illusions you've been harboring about me generally or because of my San Francisco Bay Area roots, I trust that the foregoing will serve to clarify who I actually am.

So, mau, we'd get along just fine. Me and Brian? The same.

Peace out.

Z

I also signed the recall petition because I think he went too far.

---- The unions went too far. First, they didn't compromise with Doyle for a year and a half. Then they and Doyle tried to rush through a contract at the last minute - dragging an incarcerated drunk politician to the chamber to try to get it done. They did not commit to contributing to health care and pensions in good faith.

Not far enough would have been a one time health care and pension deal and then the next year the unions getting it all back with their political muscle. If we want to be governed by tax payers and not big government unions, then Gov Walker's reform was what was needed.

How come Walker didn't come to his own event? Funny how they can shame protesters but two sign holders are rushed by police.

I would think that if it were true it would be state wide news--or National news on Faux. So far, only you have made the accusation!

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morninmist

9:05 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Do you have any evidence of this Cynthia?-- or are you as usual just post vile Right Wing Rumors!!
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Cynthia

4:37 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

Ummmm erro...... IL residents already found on petitions...... don't speak so fast....... LOL
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Cynthia

9:22 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

mourningmist, the petitions for the Senators are posted on GAB website, feel free to browse around and see the out of district and out of state address's..............

Check out some of the petitions on the GAB website! I don't know what all the rules are but I think that some of the writing on the petitions seem similar. Does anyone
know about the petition rules?
I also saw are people signing in the column where they are supposed to print their name and vice versa. I also saw a whole page where the muncipality was left blank.

@ jim price. mister price I think you do a fantastic job and you write intelligent articles. It's a shame that there are a few people that use this comment section for bashing others. The name calling is hateful and childish. Keep up the good work sir.

Did anybody see a lot of buses in the area?  Unless there were a million people, Walker is still probably in trouble.

You notice how none of the Republicans are even acknowledging that Tommy Thompson is running for US Senate?  That alone speaks volumes about how extreme the Republican Party has become.

DID YOU NOTICE HOW THE ANTI WALKER IDIOTS WERE BLOWING /BOY THEY SURE CAN BLOW---------BLOWHARDS!!

Ex quo fit chaos = Out of chaos comes order.

4,000 people showed up at the event and left the park just how they found it, clean. 100 or so ant-walker protesters showed up and threw all the FIST posters in snowbanks and litered.

Cry more libs

TGFSW

Kleefish said "They (Volunteers) thought it ended with a bunch of signatures"! She also asked the folks to take the money they saved on property taxes and donate the money to the cause (Te he--what cause would that be?--saving your job? or Walker/s?)!!

Kleefish is Lying--We--the volunteers kow the recall process has only started with the turning in of petitions! She sounded real stupid up there talking to the crowd.

AND SHE WANTS YOU TO DONATE MONEY TO SAVE HER JOB!!! THAT IS WHY SHE FINALLY SHOWED UP WITH LATE NOTICE.

@Cynthia
Since a political PAC was set up for this event, you do not know who or which companies have contributed.

No truth cookie for you.
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Cynthia

4:31 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

joe, Koch and ALEC in the same comment....... you get a cookie!!!!

BTW all funding for this event was by individual citizens.... No corporations, No unions, not even GOP funding....... True Grassroots!!!!

This event inspired folks who know that Gov. Walkers reforms are working saving this state from fiscal ruin, and all it took was for some whiners to contribute to their own benefits, like the rest of us. It was put together by Face Book friends, No GOP, no TEA Party, no organized group whatsoever. These were SOME of the "Silent Majority" who decided to be less silent. The rest will speak up at election time when we re-elect Gov. Walker.

TeaGOP are no friends to the residents of Wisconsin! In fact they are out to do many Wisconsinites HARM!

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/677-lead-poisoning-victims-under-assault-by-gov-walker-and-lockstep-republicans.html
Lead Poisoning Victims Under Assault by Gov. Walker and Lockstep Republicans

Wednesday, 18 January 2012 20:46
Paul I. Tascoupe
Wisconsin Politics

Children victims of lead paint Madison -- Gov. Scott Walker and his lockstep republican minions have decided to expedite the assault on children who have been poisoned by lead paint. On exactly twenty-four hours notice, the State Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a hearing for Thursday, Jan. 19, only on SB-373, the bill that would overturn a State Supreme Court decision allowing the victims to sue paint manufacturers.

Yes, you read that right, no longer will victims be able to recoup damages for injuries sustained from exposure to paint products containing lead. The Uppity Wisconsin Blog reported this:

The bill was just introduced on Jan. 10, the day after things went badly for the poison merchants in a federal appeals court hearing in Chicago. Within hours of the hearing, State Sen. Glenn Grothman ordered the bill jacketed and introduced it the next day.

Joe, you should leave the weed alone before posting. Your lack of anything of substance is embarrassing.

@mornin mist
Yea, that bill more clearly identifies product liability law so that only the manufacturers, distributors and sellers of the SPECIFIC product can be sued.

Definition of insanity... Doing same thing over and over and expecting diff results ( thank you Albert!). Let's see...Barrett in 2010... Nope.. Klopy last spring....nope. Biiggest joke of all...Pasch last summer....not even close. Now it's Falk who has lost two statewide elections or Barrett part two.

Whatcha going to do next when Walker wins. No way you say...well we've heard all your drivel for a year now. Keep repeating your failed recalls. Gee, who of use can't afford $9MM for this "insanity". Oh yea, the unions can. Not us taxpayers. Distribution of wealth...out of my wallet and into union bigwigs salaries. That plays well with the silent majority.

Seriously, WHY is the Walker recall going to succeed when the last three Union campaigns failer miserably! Guess Einstien was right. Insanity

Walkler began his term with a blatant assault on the rights of Wisconsinites to organize unions and to collectively bargain. These rights are so broadly accepted that the United States uses them to assess whether other countries are free. They are so broadly accepted that candidate Ronald Reagan said on Labor Day 1980: “Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.” As president, Reagan expanded on this principle when he said: “Collective bargaining … has played a major role in America’s economic miracle. Unions represent some of the freest institutions in this land. There are few finer examples of participatory democracy to be found anywhere.” Bush said" Alkita hates our freedoms and democracy and we must preserve them at all cost. We must do waht ever means are nessesary."

Walker rally was awesome...of course the cry babies showed up with their toy horns, had a fit until they were scolded by the police...just like.....hmm... toddlers who have tantrums; although toddlers have an advantage.... its a just a growth stage where as these poor souls are stuck in tantrum mode...certainly not work hard and prosper mode.
Wisconsin showed up! Peacefully! Too bad JS could only write an accurate story without a strong liberal twist. We are cancelling our journal because, once again, they have failed to write an accurate story. It is no surprise why the paper is close to bankrupcy...they should call it the liberal press because it is dripping with bias and I am sickened by it; I no longer want its stench in my home. I encourage all to cancel due to the poor reporting that continues day after day which has been so evident through this entire recall waste of our tax dollars. DO not support it any longer with your hard earned money! Tell Patrick Marley what a poor job he did reporting this event...pmarley@journalsentinel.com.

SCOTT WALKER FOR PRESIDENT.....a new concept in politics....implement what was promised during the campaign...........and that is exactly what he did.

@ TOM (In online circles, TOM, caps mean you're yelling. Are you one of those crazy old coots that run out their front porch waving a copy of the John Birch Society newsletter, yelling at those DAMN kids to get off your lawn? Or are you just hard of hearing, and don't realize HOW "loud" you're being?)

In any event, TOM, while it's easy to characterize someone as a blowhard, it is A BIT harder to actually qualify as being one. With your lazy-ass, all capitals "yelling" and insubstantial, juvenile ranting you, however, clear the bar easily. The others here, not so much.

FORGIVE ME IF I'M "YELLING" RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT HERE, AND I WANT TO BE SURE YOU. . .CAN. . .HEAR. . .ME. ANYWAY, "YOUNG MAN", NEXT TIME, REMEMBER THAT YOU NEED TO BE [*THIS HIGH*] TO GET ON THIS RIDE, HUH?

Read the sign at the entrance: "No "yelling" or juvenile ignoramuses allowed

Jim Price...excellent article

So JP, where in the Constitution (US or Wi) does it say unions have the
"right" to bargin? Rights? The Dems passed legislation in the 60s to set up union bargaining. How do you explain the Federal unions having no bargining "rights" How come the great and all powerful OZ in the White House hasn't given Fed unions "rights"? Because even the pres. knows we can't afford to. But hey, let's screw Wi tax powers by overturning a legal election

It appears your definition of "rights" is that state and teacher unions have the "right" to make others pay their fair share of union benefits cost. Face reality, with today's economy, those days are long gone. Keep your hands out of my wallet ( your recall is already costing me $9MM)

@ Saxon Realm aka White Supremacist World aka [http://www.Stormfront.org] Storm-Trooper

Dude, just go back to the warm, racist, anti-Semitic embrace of your http://www.Stormfront.org white supremacist community buddies, huh?

That said, the fact that you visit various Patch sites to concurrently espouse white supremacist tripe alongside your anti-union, pro-Walker diatribes does serve an educational purpose. It says a lot about the kinds of people from whom Walker draws support.

Given that, maybe I should just encourage you stick around, you fascist, racist, anti-Semitic putz.

@ Keith Best

Two things stood out from your 6:35 a.m. post for me. (1) Your apparent pressing need to characterized the progressives here as "whiners", and (2) your propensity to actually engage in the very kind of whining about which you purportedly complain.

Just another classic case of wingnut projection.

Did you get far enough along in school to take a psychology class, Keith? Yeah, didn't think so. Anyway, projection takes place when someone accuses someone else of engaging in something [in this case, whining] in which they themselves are engaging. On a sub-conscious level, they are aware of that fact, are troubled by it, can't handle the emotional pain that that realization causes them and, as a consequence, falsely accuse the other person of being the one engaging in it.

Projection, Keith. Look around, here and elsewhere, wingnuts, rightwingers, teabaggers, conservatives, they ALL engage in it. A sad, increasingly unhinged, fearful group of people.

Keith, tell you what. Why don't we just wait, and see what happens with Walker. With good reason, progressives/liberals are confident not just about the Walker, etal recall elections, but about running the table in November 2012. What you have seen on this board is calm, dispassionate discourse on the progressive side. On your side? Lots of chest-thumping, false bravado AND whining, whining which seems to come from a place of fundamental fear, echoes of children whistling in the dark to comfort themselves.

Running the table? Really? Are we better today after 4 years of Obama? No one in their right mind can say yes. Man at the top must be held accountable. Give him 4 more years? Even the DNC knows that a "long, downhill putt". Time to go burrow back in your rabbit hole

@ ja

Read my comment directed at Keith Best just above. It might as well have been directed at you, my misguided wingnut brother.

@ Bewildered

Yep, Bewildered, "running the table."

The tables have turned, my misguided wingnut brother. After seeing the pathetic, "let's protect the 1 % at the expense of the 99%", do nothing, obstructionist Teapublicans in action over the last year, the country is moving in a different direction, wingnut/teabagger delusions to the contrary, like yours, notwithstanding. The 2010 "tsunami" has reversed course, Big B. Perhaps if you were less "bewildered" and partisan, you'd have a better grasp of that fundamental fact.

And, yes, we are better off after four years under President Obama, who kept us from going over the cliff's edge to which President Bush's unfunded tax cuts, wars, and Medicare expansions, along with his turning a woefully blind eye to an under-regulated financial industry, had taken us, and did so despite the best effort of obstructionist Republicans to stymie him.

Want to be helpful, Bewildered? Tell Congressional Republican to *STFU* and to just get the *eff* out of the President's way, so that he can get something done for the country.

Worry less about coming up with less than clever "golf" metaphors, and reading "Alice In Wonderland", and spend a little time educating yourself about the facts. Also, take the partisan blinders off. If you do all of that, maybe you'll be a whole lot less "bewildered".

Since I'm doubtful that you will take my advice, enjoy your little wingnut wet dream of electoral supremacy while it lasts, huh? (*laughing*)

Yeahhhhhh, this was a huge, HUGE rally, I tell ya. ["Yeah, THAT'S the ticket" - tip o' the hat to Jon Lovitz] Just makes the protests up in Madison PALE in comparison. (*laughing*)

http://bloggingblue.com/2012/01/22/gallery-photos-from-the-celebrate-scott-walker-rally/#comment-89364

Poor, poor deluded wingnuts.

Walker. . .is. . .toast.

Oh, and by the way, in four years, Jerrid will be a Democrat, James O'Keefe will be in prison, and Scott Walker will have been working for David Koch for almost four years, if he, too, isn't also serving a prison term ["Do not ask for whom the bells of the John Doe Investigation toll, Scott Walker, they toll for THEE"].

(*laughing*)

Enjoy those wingnut wet dreams while they last, huh?

Take a Valium, Big B. You're frothing at the mouth.

As to this part of your crazy little rant: "Four years later and it's still Bush's fault."

Yeah, that's right, B, thanks to JUST how bad the problem was when Bush 43 handed the economy off to President Obama, and thanks to the obstructionist Republicans Congress doing what they could at every turn to stymie the President's efforts (Remember Mitch McConnell saying that his primary objective wasn't to get the economy going, but to screw the President?).

Re-read my post, my low-information, undereducated, frothing at the mouth, partisan brother. Follow the advice. You'll be better off. And MUCH, MUCH calmer, composed and intelligent-sounding. Thanks, by the way, for taking the time to read all of my comments up above, despite the fact that you did so only to mine them for something, anything, with which to disparage me. Too bad, most of what was in them went RIGHT over your head.

AND this part of your rant: "Are you going to use that argument after 8 years."

Won't have to. The House of Republicans will flip, the Democratic Party majority in the Senate will increase, and the President will finally have been able to get done what needed to get done.

AND this part: "Hollyweird is getting inside your head."

(*laughing*) Now, now, Bewildered. "Hollyweird" is light years away from Malibu. The movie industry hasn't been based there for decades, and it is actually a weird place where I just don't hang out.

You are a classic example of a Walker supporter who shouts off his mouth and looks stupid.

Many BadgerCare folks do work full time. They are NOT deadbeats so stop demeaning them.

Big companies such as Wal-Mart, McDonald's franchisees, Aurora Health Care, Roundy's Supermarkets, Manpower and Menards are examples of WI businesses who do not provide health care benefits to their employee's.

Grow up.

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Steve

10:59 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

You twitter crap here is annoying.

Badger care is full of dead beats that are leeching off my tax dollars. Kick them all off, or you can donate to the fund personally if you feel it is just and right.

Incorrect morninmist. Roundy's DOES provide healthcare, dental and vision to their employees.

The employees of roundy's supermarkets do have to pay a small weekly fee that's deducted out of their paycheck. No it's not free, but they understand it's not free and that's part of living in the real world.

Aurora healthcare appears to offer healthcare benefits as well...
http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/jobs/why-join-aurora/benefits.aspx

Walmart does as well.
http://walmartstores.com/careers/7750.aspx

It looks like Manpower and Menards do as well.
http://us.manpower.com/us/en/associates/benefits/default.jsp
http://www.menards.com/main/careerBenefits.html

I wouldn't expect McDonald's to offer health benefits to their franchisees, and they aren't really employees of McDonald's, are they?

Zuma I see you keep bringing up the 99 percent thing. Bottom line ,in this case , the greddy state workers are the 1 percent .Mind you not all but must.And the 99 percent that pay their salary are tired of being raped by them, as in to plunder, your recall doesnt stand a chance.The real 99 percent will speak loud and clear agian you can count on it.

Walker began his term with a blatant assault on the rights of Wisconsinites to organize unions and to collectively bargain. These rights are so broadly accepted that the United States uses them to assess whether other countries are free. They are so broadly accepted that candidate Ronald Reagan said on Labor Day 1980: “Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.” As president, Reagan expanded on this principle when he said: “Collective bargaining … has played a major role in America’s economic miracle. Unions represent some of the freest institutions in this land. There are few finer examples of participatory democracy to be found anywhere.” Bush said" Alkita hates our freedoms and democracy and we must preserve them at all cost. We must do what ever means are necessary. This is America and Democracy against a communist regime. Russian Tea Party

I'm with you mister smith

Just how many of you claiming and standing behind the clinched fist really understand what it is that you are fighting for? If you have not heard of George Soros or have done any research regarding Mr Soros, I would suggest you take some time and explore what this man is all about.
He is responsible for destroying several countries and bringing financial collapse. He is PRO NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/soros-warns-of-violent-riots-in-america-financial-collapse-government-clampdown-%e2%80%9csurvival-is-the-most-important-thing%e2%80%9d.html

Mr Soros is the financer of many of the organizations that are behind all this chaos. Do your own research and you will be amazed.

@Bewildered

Bewildered: "Tell me you aren't really saying the entertainment industry isn't centered in LA? Really. Must be news to all the sound stages I've worked in in West LA. Come on, Cali Dreaming, you can do better than this. You are so good at entertaining us poor cheeseheads ( as long as we don't get crushed by your huge wallet ..... Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't have said that....you can't be the big snob you come off as, can you?"

Zuma: Boy, are you really so much of a clueless rube that you can't follow the simplest concept, or are you just disingenuous, unprincipled and partisan enough to blatantly misstate what I actually say in my comments?

In pertinent part, what I said was that, given your fixation with talking about "Hollyweird", the film industry hadn't been based in HOLLYWOOD for decades. If you've actually spent time in the greater L.A. area, you should know that Hollywood, where the film industry had its beginnings a long time ago, is just one municipality amongst many in the area, one with a high crime rate and one considered by most to be an undesirable place in which to live, much less in which to base and/or run film/entertainment industry companies. That said, of course, film/entertainment industry companies are based in other municipalities, like Burbank, Culver City and Beverly Hills, located within the greater L.A. area, your mis-characterization of what I actually said, notwithstanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_industry

@Bewildered: I'm happy letting my comments (as written, not as mis-characterized by a wingnut jackass like you) speak for themselves, just as I am happy to let yours speak for you.

For the record, while I'm no longer part of the 99%, I was raised by parents who were, by a father raised in the Upper Peninsula by an immigrant parents (Finnish and German) who did not speak English, and by a mother born and raised in Western Pennsylvania.

That said, I'm not part of the uber-rich, either. I worked hard to get where I am, and I lord it over no one. I got my work ethic and my values from hard-working, decent and principled parents who instilled in me the idea that no one is any better than anyone else. I don't define myself by my accomplishments or financial success, but they are what they are, and I don't shy away from them. They became relevant up above in rebutting things which Brian Dey had to say, so I mentioned them. If you see snobbery in that, it says more about you than it could ever say about me.

In any event, regardless of my station in life, I am fully capable of taking principled positions based upon what is right. I guess a hyper-partisan douchebag like you just isn't capable of, or willing, understanding something like that.

Your angry, aggressive, defensive reverse elitism suggests that you are overcompensating for something. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that is, but here's a "heads up." It's pretty clear to everybody else what it is.

On 1/22 at 11:32 am

Zuma: " @ Brian Dey

Brian: Wow Zuma Bound, quite a resume, not!. . .Oh, and being a business owner myself, I doubt your claims of vast wealth, because those that have, don't brag about it.

Zuma: I wasn't bragging, Big B, just stating some facts to make a point. It's a new world, Brian. People talk about sh*t. I don't consider my financial success to be a big thing. It is what it is. If it comes up, it comes up. But, hey, I don't look for ways to fit it into a conversation.

In any event, it doesn't take me away from my middle class roots/values (my dad was from the UP, by the way). It is a fact of my life. I lord it over no one because it doesn't mean anything to me. But then a rightwinger like you comes along, making the usual assumptions that rightwingers make about progressives, and it becomes a relevant factor in rebutting those assumptions and the points that you are trying to make with them.

Mis-characterize my mention of it in any way you choose. It doesn't change the thrust of the point that I was making, a point which you conveniently ignored, by the way. it just makes you look like an prickly partisan hack, one whose generation handled the mention of such things in a less open way.

Brian: [A]ll this crap that is going on means absolutely nothing, because we still win.

Zuma: Better get a new crystal ball. It isn't 2010 anymore. In fact, it's a whole new world. But, guess we'll see, huh, Brian, or should I say, 'Grandpa'? (*wink*)

Z "

@ Bewildered

Brian Dey authored two comments on 1/21 (7:24 pm and 7:35 pm) to which I responded with the comment, posted on at 10:20 am on 1/22, which you have seen fit to so blatantly mis-characterize.

Brian Dey responded to my 10:20 am comment, with a comment similar in unfortunate tone and snark to yours at 8:28 am on 1/22 which said:

"Wow Zuma Bound, quite a resume, not! And you know nothing of me. I sat on a school board where I saw the greedy whining unions steal from the kids to line their fat wallets, so yes, I am soooo happy to see the public unions go down in flames, and even if Walker lost the recall election (not happening), our side still won because there is zero chance Act 10 will ever get overturned. So you see, all this crap that is going on means absolutely nothing, because we still win.

Oh, and being a business owner myself, I doubt your claims of vast wealth, because those that have, don't brag about it."

I've posted my response to this comment of Brian Dey's just above (11:53 today). It speaks for itself.

You're nothing more than a partisan jackass, Bewildered. Maybe if you took your head out of your posterior, you could see and think far more clearly.

Anyway, homeboy, we're done here.

@ Patriot

Patriot: "@Zuma-Completely clueless!!! Thats bout all I have to say bout that!!"

Zuma: Right back atcha, big guy. (*wink*)

Oh my! If in fact you truely are a entertainment lawyer who lives in the slums of Malibu and boasts his "huge wallet will crush" all us poor cheeseheads ( I believe the word you used is "rubes"), too much double expresso latte ?

How do I "mis-characterize" you when i quote your own words? You are your own worst detractor

No longer in the 1% you say. Oh, I feel so sorry for you. Aren't you the one who bragged you don't worry about "job security and retirement"?

Focus on my points, you demand. No can do. Your ego, boasting and degrading of Wisconsin gives you zero credibility. Besides, your own words make it sooo easy to make fun of.

By the way I said Hollyweird, not Hollywood. Outside of Malibu, the rest of us knows Hollyweird stands for the entertainment industry in LA. Let me make it simple for you.. Hollyweird = entertainment industry = LA = radical stronghold = massive cash to Obama.

Stay in Malibu. We don't care what you think. Hopefully this will be my last reply to your rants, but I can't guarantee. Bashing you is too easy and way to much fun.

Pls be careful you don't fall off your "huge wallet" and bruise your ego. Wink....wink

Zuma Bound: Your problem is not the thickness of your wallet, but that lack of anything meaningful on the opposite side of your pants. Well off people do not taunt others with their wealth; unless they are suffering from a shortage of their manlyhood.
Perhaps you can carry that wallet in a front pocket if you feel so self concious about the extra space in that area.

@ Bewildered

The 'Bewildered' jackass wrote the following at 2:41 pm: "How do I 'mis-characterize' you when i [sic] quote your own words? You are your own worst detractor," and at 3:08, "But pls try and claim all of us [nice try, Kemosabe, I'm just saying that YOU are] are 'mis-characterizing' you."

Yeah, Big B, you're not "quot[ing my] own words", you're mis-quoting and mis-characterizing them. Want some examples, douchebag? No problem.

Zuma: (1) You got your panties all up in a bunch about my having said that the film industry hadn't really been based in "Hollyweird" for a long time, and claimed that I MUST be full of sh*t in general because of my comment in this regard. So, I had to correct that for you earlier today in the comment that I posted at 11:08 am. .

So, having been caught flat-footed on that one, you shifted gears, saying at 3:06 pm, "[Well, uh, see, uh, m]aybe not in "Hollywierd" (aka LA and Malibu). . .

Need more, douchebag? See my next comment.

Yah Yah--Let's "celebrate walker" and all of his OUT OF STATE $$$$!!

For a guy who constantly is crying about so-called out of state protesters--he takes the hypocrite cake!!

Muxywithmoxie Lisa Mux.
61% of Walker's recall $ is from out of state. 1st time in WI's history we've seen this much outside influence-Mike McCabe. #wiunion
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Looks who's putting all their eggs in one basket. Walker is in position to end this ballgame.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/205965-dems-fear-union-cash-drain-in-wisconsin
Dems fear union cash drain in Wisconsin.

@ Bewildered [and everyone else]

(2) At 2:41 pm, the 'Bewildered' Jackass wrote: "Oh my! If in fact you truely [sic] are a [sic] entertainment lawyer who lives in the slums of Malibu and boasts his 'huge wallet will crush' all us poor cheeseheads ( I believe the word you used is 'rubes'), too much double expresso latte?"

Bewildered, you either have a reading comprehension problem or, in order to make a snarky and meritless partisan point, you misquote and mis-characterize. I didn't call anyone a rube, even YOU. I asked YOU in my 11:08 am comment, "[A]re you really so much of a clueless rube that you can't follow the simplest concept, or are you just disingenuous, unprincipled and partisan enough to blatantly misstate what I actually say in my comments?" I guess that I have to ask the same question once again, although I think the answer is, "You're just THAT stupid."

In any event, I didn't direct the "wallet" comment [I didn't say 'huge', now did I?] to anyone but Brian Dey, not that it seems to matter to you as you try to demagogue me as some kind of hater of "cheeseheads". To be absolutely clear, I think that YOU are the ONLY moron here, one who is EITHER an arrogant, clueless rube or just a disingenuous partisan hack. I love Wisconsinites. As I've mentioned above, I have roots in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I just think that YOU'RE an idiot. See the difference? Or do I need to use even smaller words so that you can keep up?

Stay tuned, douchebag.

At 10:20 pm on 1/21/12, I wrote:

" @ Brian Dey

'When Walker gets re-elected, I hope he does away with your pension and replaces it with a 401K. I hope he takes away grievences. I hope he makes you pay 25% of your healthcare like most Wisconsinites. And even better, privatize snowplowing, schools.

Here are the rights you have: You have the right to quit your job (the waiting list is tremendously long to have your job), you have the right to leave this state, and you have the right to remain silent. If you don't exercise the first two, please exercise the third because we already have enough cheese in this state to go with your whine.'

Zuma: Bravo, Brian, you blowhard. You don't have a clue about me.

I'm a successful small businessman, a music industry lawyer whose wallet, alone, would probably crush you.

As I gaze out from the deck of my Malibu beach house, I don't worry about job security or about how my retirement, if it ever comes, will be funded. I do, however worry about how people less fortunate will make ends meet with oligarchical lapdogs like Walker in office, screwing the middle class into which I was born, and in which I was raised. Scott Walker revealed to the world EXACTLY who he is in the conversation that he THOUGHT he was having with David Koch, and in the policies that he has pursued.

At what point do people like you get realistic about things like six straight months of job losses from someone who guaranteed AT LEAST 250,000 new jobs?"

More below.

@ the truly 'Bewildered' jackass [and everyone else]

At 11:32 am on 1/22, I wrote the following in response to a comment by Brian Dey:

"Brian: 'Wow Zuma Bound, quite a resume, not!. Oh, and being a business owner myself, I doubt your claims of vast wealth, because those that have, don't brag about it.'

Zuma: I wasn't bragging, Big B, just stating some facts to make a point. It's a new world, Brian. People talk about sh*t. I don't consider my financial success to be a big thing. It is what it is. If it comes up, it comes up. But, hey, I don't look for ways to fit it into a conversation.

In any event, it doesn't take me away from my middle class roots/values (my dad was from the UP, by the way). It is a fact of my life. I lord it over no one because it doesn't mean anything to me. But then a rightwinger like you comes along, making the usual assumptions that rightwingers make about progressives, and it becomes a relevant factor in rebutting those assumptions and the points that you are trying to make with them.

Mis-characterize my mention of it in any way you choose. It doesn't change the thrust of the point that I was making, a point which you conveniently ignored, by the way. it just makes you look like an prickly partisan hack, one whose generation handled the mention of such things in a less open way."

So, 'Bewildered jackass', that comment might as well have been written to you. Try to understand it, if you can, or just continue to stick your head up your ass.

@ Bewildered

All right, jackass, since you, in your blind and absolutely asinine arrogance, asked for them, I've given you four (4) examples of your having misquoted and/or mis-characterized what I've had to say.

As I've been saying for awhile now, YOU are either stupid, with some kind of truly serious reading comprehension problem, or you are nothing more than a disingenuous, unprincipled, not to mention unjustifiably arrogant, partisan hack. In all honesty, I suspect that you are a combination of both, a truly, truly unfortunate combination.

My sympathies to anyone who has to deal with you in real life.

I'm done with you, homeboy.

@ Craig

Craig: "Zuma: Your problem is not the thickness of your wallet, but the lack of anything meaningful on the opposite side of your pants. Well off people do not taunt others with their wealth; unless they are suffering from a shortage of their [manhood]."

Zuma: I didn't THINK you were as stupid as Bewildered, with the same kind of reading comprehension problem. But, who knows, maybe I was wrong about that.

As I said above:

"Zuma [to Brian Dey, 1/22 at 11:32 am]: I wasn't bragging, Big B, just stating some facts to make a point. It's a new world, Brian. People talk about sh*t. I don't consider my financial success to be a big thing. It is what it is. If it comes up, it comes up. But, hey, I don't look for ways to fit it into a conversation.

In any event, it doesn't take me away from my middle class roots/values (my dad was from the UP, by the way). It is a fact of my life. I lord it over no one because it doesn't mean anything to me. But then a rightwinger like you comes along, making the usual assumptions that rightwingers make about progressives, and it becomes a relevant factor in rebutting those assumptions and the points that you are trying to make with them.

Mis-characterize my mention of it in any way you choose. It doesn't change the thrust of the point that I was making, a point which you conveniently ignored, by the way. it just makes you look like an prickly partisan hack, one whose generation handled the mention of such things in a less open way."

@ Patriot

Patriot: "Hahaha my thoughts exactly. I am amazed at the big words some of our progressive friends like to use. I guess its there way to show just how educated they are and better off.

Zuma: We're educated. Deal with it. William F. Buckley, Jr. was a conservative and as erudite as they come. He would truly be embarrassed at what has become of the conservative base, if you and Bewildered are any indication. Educated people use the words that they have in their vocabulary. It's just second nature for them, much like your "know nothing", "big words bad" philosophy is second nature for you. Maybe if you stopped mocking people with larger vocabularies than your own, and picked up a dictionary now and again, you might be less inclined to mock that which, on some level, you undoubtedly envy.

I'm guessing that school was a pretty difficult experience for you. You've have my sympathies.

Patriot: "Too bad they are so far out of touch with the real people in this world, those that have to make daily decisions on what to spend their money on."

Zuma: Are you "listening" to yourself, Patriot? I'm no more out of touch with "the real people in this world" than you are. I grew up in a family in which my parents "[had] to make daily decisions on what to spend their money on", parents who grew up during the Great Depression and taught me the value of a dollar.

Patriot: "Zuma just likes to hear himself type."

Zuma: (*laughing*) Yeahhh, I don't think so.

Sure is quiet now......

Hey Malibu Ken, feel better?

I'd like to comment on your last six posts in a row (That must be some type of a record. Better switch to decafe, Zubby). I'm sure they are all enlightening diatribes...but unfortunately I couldn't get thru the first and fell asleep. From what I could read, you certainly have an amazing vocabulary.

What a loser !

NEW POLL RESULTS: Marquette poll shows Walker ahead of all challengers. After all the NOISE from the left. The Majority of Wisconsin is standing with Walker over any of the current challengers. The good news for Walker is his numbers are in an upward trend.

An environmental impact study needs to be done. Simple as that.

http://rootriversiren.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-me-minegogebic-taconite-style.html?spref=tw

Wednesday, January 25, 2012
I Me Mine...Gogebic Taconite Style

There are a number of very good articles out today by Wisconsin authors about yesterday's committee hearing which passed the controversial mining bill. The Siren has linked them below. But all you really need to know about the bill is in the video below by the tenacious Arthur222.

If the Siren had written a bill which would bring hundreds of jobs to Wisconsin, increased revenue for the state and directed a great big company to move a big facility to Northern Wisconsin her name would be all over it. Flocks of legislators would sign on as co-sponsors and we'd host a public end-zone dance-off.

So it's more than weird that no one and we mean NO ONE wants to claim ownership of the massive Gogebic Taconite iron mine bill. Word is the bill is unlikely to pass the Assembly (not taking bets on that) and even less so in the Senate.

Read the excellent articles below:

@ Bewildered

If there ever was a screen name which was perfectly suited to its user, it is yours.

You entered a "battle of wits" with Zuma Bound unarmed, and, not surprisingly, got completely, thoroughly punked by someone far smarter and more articulate than you could ever hope to be.

You're an embarrassment to Wisconsinites, so PLEASE stop acting like you're speaking for all of us.

PLEASE just slink off to some wingnut echo chamber somewhere where all the other hard-headed, clueless, "know nothing", poorly educated rightwingers congregate, and stop subjecting us to your inane and mindlessly partisan drivel.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you clueless, "bewildered", arrogant assh*le.

@ Bewildered "Barbie"

What are you, "Bewildered"? Twelve? Do you really believe that your increasngly obsessive, juvenile "cut-lows" like calling Zuma Bound "Malibu Ken" have any impact, other than to make you look like more of a tool?

It's a day off for me. What's your excuse? Having read all of your comments, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that the reason that you're able to post comments in the middle of the day like you are today is because you're a just another lazy, bone-headed high school kid without a job to worry about. The immaturity, the lack of intellectual depth, the elementary schoolyard-level insults, the apparent reading comprehension problems you have, they all seem to point in that direction.

The funny thing here is, Bewildered, that the more your juvenile idiocy manifests itself, the more you thump your chest and double down with the dumb, the worse you look. Someone more mature would have long since shut up, and cut his losses.

God, it must be tough being you. Why not just step away from your computer keyboard, you know, the one down in your parent's basement, go kiss your mom on the cheek, and tell her that you're going to be less of an ungrateful, disrespectful chump from now on. Then, maybe go out and get some fresh air and some actual human contact. I suspect that you just don't get enough of either. Better hit the books much, much harder, too, sport. And maybe reconsider getting back into that Special Education class.

So, let's see, Bewildered Barbie, if there's anything else I should add.

Oh, yeah, one more thing.

Let me quote you first, just so your stupidity is on full display:

"Malibu Ken 'articulate'? What planet are you living on? Looks as if your big Recall banner in your front yard is blocking the facts on this one."

Classic Bewildered Barbie!

If Zuma Bound is nothing else, he's definitely articulate. But, he's also a whole lot more than that, and the truth is that you know it. It's just that your macho little schoolboy ego won't let you admit it.

I guess that, since you didn't disagree at the same time with my assessment that Zuma is "smarter than you", you're just conceding that particular point, huh?

Bewildered Barbie, it's time to STOP while you're behind.

Thanks for playing, but "recess" is over. The adults have things to do now. Off ya go, sport.

Spot on!

scottwalkerwtch scottwalkerwatch
Walker saying he "balanced" the budget is like saying Fox News is fair and "balanced". bit.ly/Aj9DBF #wiunion #wirecall
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See this from Rep Richards also:

http://thewheelerreport.com/releases/January12/0118/0118richards.pdf

Bewildered - "Issue with Zuma is I find hiim, with his 1% status that he so likes to brag about, pretending to speak for us 99% total bull. I take it you supprt his telling Wisconsin what to think from his beach house in Malibu. Just be careful his wallet doesn't crush you, as he likes to say."

You obviously don't even read his posts. Zuma Bound has opinions, well thought-out and well-articulated ones, but he has not told us what to think. Nor has he said that he was part of the 1%. In fact, he has said that he isn't part of the uber-rich, not that you bothered to read the comment in which he said so. He came from the middle-class, has Midwestern roots just like you and I do, and was raised to believe that no one is any better than anyone else, no matter how much money they have. If you'd actually taken time to read what he has said here, you would know that.

You would also know that Zuma Bound said the following, purely as a rhetorical device, in meeting "fire with fire" in response to Brian Dey's false assumptions about him and Dey's misplaced condescension (1/21-10:20 am). He wasn't bragging as you've wrongly tried to suggest:

"Bravo, [Brian Dey], bravo, you blowhard. You don't have a clue about me.

I'm a successful small businessman, a music industry lawyer whose wallet, alone, would probably crush you."

He was justifiably trying to slap Brian Dey's unjustified arrogance right off of Dey's smarmy, partisan face, while reaffirming his middle class values.

All right, Bewildered, apparently there's no redeeming you. You are what you are.

I guess Ron White is right, "Ya can't fix stupid".

Good luck with everything, Barbie. You're really going to need it.

We're done here.

So with all the test run elections that have been done, they show Gov Walker winning every single one by a nice cushion. These were random tests done by making random calls asking who would you vote for........... Falk or Walker?ou Many responses were Falk are you kidding Walker of course.
What will you progressives do when Gov Walker wins this recall election? Just wondering what will be your next move to push your or try and push your liberal ideas onto the people of this great State?

I will be there is spirit

Solidarity to you brothers and sisters.

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I have a ? for all you lefties out there. What will be your grounds for the recall be when you start running your ads? How dare Scott Walker not sign a check to the unions. For dues taken from many peoples pay when they were forced to be in the union. But didnt want to be in the union to start with .Or hows this he made us pay 5% to our pensions that they will get back anyway when they retire.Or he made us pay 12%of our health care .Have you no common sense. It just boggles the mind what a joke.

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Lefties making fools of themselves at the state of state speech ..........they only allowed invited guest in the chamber. 4 of these guest started yelling at certain periods and were removed. Walker was unphased and continued to lay out the way forward . Unlike Obama he gladly talked about his reforms and the amazing successes he has achieved. The interuptions will help Walker with the Independants on the fence. They will be turned off by this type of Ignorance and disrespect. What next? Act like Zombies and make fun of special Olympic kids? Wait they already did that too.

Wow! Dane County judge rules in favor of the right re: extending time to verify recall signers who woulda thunk it ?!?

How about that? An armed citizen makes a difference and stopped a possible massacre by a couple of shotgun toting thugs who had intent to do harm!! We can all Thank Gov walker and his admin.