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Cowards Awaken a Sleeping Giant

Though we have never met, Noelle Lorraine is, in my opinion, a Patriot. Why? Because like other Patriots, we share the same love of country, dedication to freedom, belief in our Constitution, and high regard for the Founding Fathers of this great land.

Subsequent to last week's election, Noelle exercised her Constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech and published a blog post regretting the outcome. She spoke from her heart in a moving and effective, perhaps even eloquent, way.

Unfortunately, some morally bankrupt cowards subsequently posted such vicious personal attacks upon Noelle that the editor of the Patch had to close off comments, something not previously done. It is always amazing to me that those on the Left who are the first to decry any attempt to moderate their speech and writings, are also the first to deny others the same right to speak out--and do so through verbal and physical intimidation.

This is completely unacceptable in a free society. The persons who engaged in these juvenile, senseless, and abusive threats went beyond the bounds of civil discourse, and entered the realm of those who would shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater, or incite mobs to riot.

Noelle will not be silenced by these cowardly attacks. The Patriots will stand with her, shoulder to shoulder, and will be honored to fight for the cause of liberty at her side. There is a quote from Winston Churchill that is eminently applicable to this incident, and to Noelle:

"A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality."

Much as Admiral Yamamoto said after the attack on Pearl Harbor, those who did this to Noelle have "awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

Taoist Crocodile

5:55 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

The personal attacks were over the top, no question.

There's also no question that the blog post itself was a mess of lies, nastiness, and threats. At one point, there was even a picture of a burned-out car posted, with the suggestion that some of the commentators were responsible! The whole thing was bizarre, and sad.

A couple of questions; do you "patriots" stand together in claiming that the President was only re-elected because of the color of his skin? Do you stand together in disputing his thoroughly proven birthplace? Do you stand with her in suggesting that the rest of us will (and I can't remember the exact wording, and don't care to visit that noxious blog again) "taste the sour taste of war at the hands of pissed-off patriots?"

If that's the case, then you're engaging in slander and intimidation yourself. That's not patriotism; it's lashing out because you're bitter about the election. Somebody call the waaaaabulance.

You aren't a "sleeping giant" awakening; you're a tiredly thrashing kindergarten bully who doesn't like the rules, and needs a nap anyway.

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Mike in OC

7:26 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@tao... you were one of those who was on the attack and continue to do so.

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Taoist Crocodile

8:21 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Mike, spare me. I'm attacking her ideas and the way she expressed them, as well as her choice to publish that weird car picture. Those things are fair game - ridiculously easy game, in fact.

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Mike in OC

3:47 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@tao... so your comment "you're a tiredly thrashing kindergarten bully" is not a personal attack? Call it what you want tao... but you are just as guilty as those posting her personal information.

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Taoist Crocodile

5:47 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Mike,

Based on past experience, I don't expect you to be interested in, or capable of, comprehending the difference between "personal attacks" of the sort that got Noelle's comment section shut down, and the type of perfectly legit criticism of one's arguments and/or lack of reasoning faculties that I'm engaging in with you. If you've said stupid things (such as the above), I'll point that out. If you've said racist things, I'll point that out. If you're "HE Pennypacker", and you have an unnatural fascination with people's fat wives, pantywaists, and a host of other bizarre topics, then you're open to any type baseless insult that may occur to me at the time.

However, those things are all different from trying to "out" someone's identity, or CCAPing someone who's not interested in using an alias, and trying to slander them for past crimes, debts, etc. That's what was out of line.

The fact that you're being so happily ignorant of that distinction is a problem for you, not for me.

Bob McBride

6:31 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I've tried to find a news/police report online regarding the car fire. I can't seem to find one. I don't think she was necessarily blaming one of the commenters. She did infer that it was in retaliation for her post. IF true - and that's a big IF as far as I can see at this point - then perhaps the outrage over the response she got to her blog is more understandable. As it stands, while certainly over the top, the comments were no worse than some of the same crap one can find elsewhere, particularly on Facebook, on a regular basis. Fortunately, we don't get a lot of that here. I appreciate Patch doing what they have to do to attempt to keep it that way.

The folks who posted some of it under the assumption they were doing so anonymously should probably thank Patch for pulling the worst of it and shutting down comments. Some of it did wander into areas of slander and while the target may or may not have the resources to challenge that sort of stuff, that doesn't prevent someone from doing so on her behalf. I know in the past AOL had to keep a retrievable archive of posts by its members, even after deleted, for legal reasons. I don't know if those kinds of policies are in place for Patch, but that coupled with the fact that anonymous posts can be traced should make people think twice before posting. It's not worth getting in a jam in the meat world over some personal/political dustup here.

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Lyle Ruble

7:00 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Michael Hintze...You need to listen to Bob and evaluate the position that you're taking. When someone decides to post blogs, they must be prepared for the reactions. I didn't come across Noelle's blog until later and I saw comments coming from people on both the right and the left commenting on her divisive piece.

This idea that somehow a sleeping giant has been awakened is ridiculous. It was only an election not a revolution. People on the left were routinely criticized for their recall efforts of the governor and state senators. When the recall failed, for the most part, people have accepted the outcome and moved on. Dialing back the rhetoric to reasonable levels is the first step in healing the divide. It seems that neither you nor Noelle got the message and understand the next steps.

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Satori

9:05 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

It's complete shenanigans. Nobody burned her car. Just a juvenile attempt to stir the pot.

Keith Best

7:18 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Lyle Ruble writes...."When the recall failed, for the most part, people have accepted the outcome and moved on."
Sorry Lyle, we're not buying that. The Left operates in devious ways and we know that is not the case. We know they are now targeting the WI. Supreme Court among other things. Unhinged liberals will never accept the outcome.

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Lyle Ruble

7:33 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Keith Best...Except for the left wing nuts, who are carrying on, the majority of the main stream left has accepted that Scott Walker is our governor along with the Republican controlled legislature. You can live in your fantasy world about the deviousness of the left, but it's politics as usual. Are you really claiming that the right isn't just as devious? I wonder how tied in you are along with the rest of the Waukesha Republicans and the Noelle Lorraine fiasco. Keith, your extremism skirts are showing.

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Bren

3:11 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

As a recall supporter, I never challenged Scott Walker's election to the office. I did challenge his complete about-face once in office, embarking on an agenda that he did not run on. I believed that the people of Wisconsin should have the right to vote for the "real" Scott Walker.

All we as voters can do today is research our candidates to the best of our ability and hope for a good outcome. Like any employee hire, a candidate can interview wonderfully and then not live up to expectations, and that is a disappointment. Or they have lied about their expertise, etc., and then hard decisions have to be made.

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CowDung

3:24 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

What was Walker's "complete about-face"? I don't think that he misrepresented himself at all...

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Greg

3:51 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Bren voted for Governor Walker (the first time) because he said that he was going to expand collective bargaining, unballance the budget and raise taxes.

I don't know, his agenda seemed crystal clear to me.

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Bren

9:50 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Campaigning on a Jobs Jobs Jobs platform, balancing the budget according to GAAP and negotiating with public employees, then "dropping the bomb" on public employee unions, focusing on diddling in the public high school sex education curriculum instead of Jobs Jobs Jobs, and restructuring debt (with an additional $20 million in new interest ) I call an about-face.

Greg, I did not vote for Scott Walker because I was familiar with his work (wherein "work" is defined as "incompetence") as Milwaukee County Executive. I knew he lacked the intellectual and educational tools for the job. He has however, done a wonderful job of "dropping the bomb," "divide and conquer," etc. These are the goals of his benefactors.

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James R Hoffa

10:11 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Bren -

Could you please explain, specifically, where Walker has been deficient in pushing legislation that encourages private sector job growth? What would you like to see him do more of to encourage private sector job growth - more tax breaks?

And please explain, for the millionth time now, what additional cuts you would have made in the budget to avoid restructuring some previously acquired debt.

"I knew he lacked the... educational tools for the job."

And what exactly are the "educational tools" required to head an executive branch of government?

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CowDung

8:57 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Bren:

You fault Walker for running on a jobs platform and then spending some time on sex ed curriculum? If you aren't a hypocrite, you must have refused to vote for Obama because he ran on a jobs platform, but spent time on Obamacare.

Walker balanced the budget as promised.

We've talked about the 'negotiating with public employees' issue before. It was the unions that made that choice, not Walker. They told Walker that they are unwilling to negotiate.

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Bren

9:16 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Cow, Walker said he would balance the budget according to GAAP. All of the budget cuts didn't balance the budget. Debt was restructured. The only difference between Walker and Doyle was that Doyle took on new debt, Walker took on new interest charges. With all of the slashes to education, etc., $20 million in new interest charges and restructured, not paid down debt, dissatisfies me.

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CowDung

9:28 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

I don't recall Walker mentioning GAAP once during his campaigning...

Doyle restructured debt as well. Lots of ordinary citizens do the same with their personal finances. I guess you might be opposed to refinancing, but others see it as an effective way to lower their debt payments. Personally, I see it as a much better alternative to raising taxes during a recession or cutting even more spending from the budget.

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Jay Sykes

10:38 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

A balanced budget is required by our State Constitution. The budget is balanced using cash accounting. Doyle followed cash accounting, too.

Bren is correct;Walker campaigned on following following GAAP and has not yet met that commitment.

Hoffa has accurately explained the debt restructuring on many,many occasions. I could do it again, but Bren will liely insist on sticking with the Democrat talking points, rather than the accounting rules and how restructuring helped cash flow.

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Bren

11:00 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

I place the "balanced budget following GAAP" and "250,000 new jobs by the end of my first term" and "I will negotiate with public employee unions" memes under the same heading: "I will say anything to get elected."

Logic suggested at the time that memes #1 and #2 were fantastical given the recession. Meme #3 was questionable because of Walker's expensive antics with public employees while Milwaukee County Executive. These are reasons why I didn't vote for him. A reasonable campaign platform would have been to promise work toward a balance budget following GAAP, working toward creating new jobs and robust state economy, and negotiating in good faith with public employee unions. In the over-the-top industry of politics, these promises were beyond the pale. Why make such outrageous promises when there was absolutely no need? Even without my personal understanding of Walker's budget antics this would have raised the red flag.

How are we better off now than under Doyle? We're not. We have new debt to the tune of $20 million in new interest charges; displaced workers and other low income people have been thrown out of programs needed for these situations, nearly $1 billion cut from K-12 public education, etc. People were misled, and worst of all, our governor is a puppet for a national special interest group. We needed someone with a strong economics and law background and we elected a college dropout who can't read a budget or contract properly. Sigh.

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CowDung

11:14 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Bren:

I stand corrected on the GAAP claim, but the budget was still balanced under the same accounting methods as Doyle used. You are still wrong about your union negotiation claim.

As far as the '$20 million in new interest' claim you keep repeating, the state debt has actually decreased by $1,554,157,000 from FY12 to FY13. If it took $20 million in new interest to do that, I'm OK with it.

"Wisconsin has a total state debt of approximately $79,600,643,000 when calculated by adding the total of outstanding official debt, pension and other post-employment benefits (OPEB) liabilities, Unemployment Trust Fund loans, and the budget gap. The FY2013 state debt total is less than the prior year's approximately debt total of $81,154,800,000."

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Wisconsin_state_budget

You seem to be moving away from your 'Walker did an about-face' claim by clouding the discussion with your 'are we better off now?' comments.

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Bren

11:27 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Cow, my point was, why make claims that "you" (Scott Walker) could achieve goals that your better-educated and more experienced predecessor could not? Illogical. It's absolutely no surprise that Walker couldn't achieve a balanced budget following GAAP or that the 250,000 new job goal is an impossibility. Even though it's a politician's job to b.s., this was/is out of orbit. Why. Just to get elected.

I'm not wrong about negotiating with public employee unions, it's video documented. I've posted the link before, as have others. Again, why. Just to get elected.

Since we've had some time with Mr. Walker (when he isn't out-of-state preaching at "conservative" think tanks, etc.) I think it's fair to start looking at where we are now. He made claims that were unmeetable, then once in office pushed those aside focused on ALEC legislation. ALEC union stripping, ALEC corporate tax cuts, ALEC concealed carry/Stand Your Ground, ALEC voter ID, etc. That's why I supported the recall. With enough people around him to prop him up, he probably could have masked his incompetence with a reasonable platform. But at least it's all out there for people to see.

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CowDung

12:09 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Bren:

Your point was that you claimed that Walker did an 'about-face' after he was elected, and that he 'embarked on an agenda that he did not run on'.

I rate your claim as false. He may have set some unrealistic goals, but he hasn't done the 'about-face' that you are claiming.

Walker was told by the union heads (before he even took office) that there was no point in trying to negotiate with the union--they were unwilling to do so. You cannot fault Walker for failing to keep his word when the union stated that they would not negotiate with him.

Craig

10:00 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I agree the personal attacks were over the top, no question. It is one thing to use fighting words when having opposing views, arson is beyond 'normal'. Some of the posts were unethical and immoral attacks. The destruction of one's property is an illegal act. I am not contending the car fire was a direct result of her blog, it is entirely possible it was retribution for her work in the GOP. It is also a possibility this was caused by a mechanical failure.
Until the police/fire departments release the cause of the fire, we are just speculating.
One thing to note: we have extreemism on both sides of the aisle. Those are the people who fuel this civil war, painting the other side as racist or evil and heartless. The extreemism is a growing trend, picking up more support when things like that in the above article occur.
Somehow Patriotism has been transformed to this mindset.

michael bavuso

11:28 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

although I may not agree with everything Ms. Lorraine says, I will defend her right to say what is on her mind. No one, on the left or right, should think that assaulting her in any way, shape, or form is acceptable.

Noelle Lorraine

2:17 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

First and foremost, I want to thank Michael for his outward support. This is Is my fuel to keep moving forward. Second, I sent a sincere gesture of gratitude out to everyone who stands In Support of me- both publicly and privately, or in agreement of my blog or perhaps complete disagreement. Your support is so important to me.

IN RESPONSE TO THE CAR FIRE: I know there is someone who had raised doubt as to the possibility of arson. It's a sad day when your own supposed team members being doubt and negativity. But always consider the source. Anyway, here's the deal:

Initially, I had a hard time getting this investigation off the ground for reasons I cannot yet divulge. But thankfully, the lion's share of officials in Waukesha county are diligent and of the utmost integrity. Their personal views never impede their professional hat. And so goes the story. As of this am there is an official arson investigation under way headed by Sgt.. Consteanu of the Muskego PD. That is all I can say at this time. Whatever you'd like to try and find out through them is perfectly fine with me.

Thanks for your continued prayers.

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Satori

2:33 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

prayers? for what, are you ill?

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ELantow

7:58 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

The police department and a previous Patch story raised those doubts. Stop blaming others.

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stephen murdock

12:32 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

next time don't drop your hot meth pipe on your seat...derp...

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Bert

12:25 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

It's odd that this crime isn't showing up on Muskego PD's crime report. There are two vehicle damage reports, but both date to late October.
http://webapps.ci.muskego.wi.us/crimewatch/

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Randy1949

12:40 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@stephan murdock -- Dude, we really don't need this kind of comment.

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stephen murdock

12:43 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

i think its a valid point...and is the reason this fake burnt car is even a issue...stupid fake knotz...

Bren

2:38 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Michael Hintze, I find little "eloquence" in a remark such as

"I am sorry the Constitution is a worthless document to the leader of the free world."

I do (personally) detect a note of sedition and as a patriot I am offended.

While Ms. Lorraine may write what she pleases in this great free country of ours and at the discretion of Patch, we her readers have an equal right to challenge views as well as the inflammatory remarks and misrepresentations in the comments.

We should not be attacking people personally, whatever one's political stance. This is after all an entertainment site. To my knowledge, none of our posts have resulted in an invitation to speak before Congress or the United Nations. But they should definitely invite Mr. Ruble.

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CowDung

2:47 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Her comment isn't much different from what those on your side had been saying about GW Bush when he was in office. Was it considered 'sedition' back then?

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Bren

3:03 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I can't take responsibility for what independents say or write, Cow.

Concerning George W. Bush, dissecting the known facts (for example claims about Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction which were debunked by experts months before the invasion of Iraq), is very different from making a baseless, indefensible, and highly offensive remark such as "I am sorry the Constitution is a worthless document to the leader of the free world."

Challenging misleading statements by politicians is not sedition. Inferring that a President of the United States (and by association, his entire administration) is disdainful of our Constitution (and by inference, working against it) most certainly is. And I will challenge those types of remarks whenever I see them.

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CowDung

3:20 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

No, but you should call them out for their alleged sedition if you are going to call out those on the 'other' side of the aisle. Not only don't you call them out, you seem to reward and/or encourage them. For example, you seem to regularly applaud Mr. Patzfahl for the baseless, indefensible and highly offensive remarks he includes in most of his blog articles.

Not that we need to revisit the issues of the Bush administration, but the accusations against GW Bush had more to do with the Patriot Act and/or Gitmo than anything he said about Saddam. Funny how everyone seems to have 'forgotten' about Obama's pledge to close Gitmo and stop the practice of detaining prisoners without filing charges against them...

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Craig

3:22 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Bren- it is your right to disagree. Just leave your lighter and gas can at home. If this type of activity continues, we are facing a civil war. I have yet to hear of any homes with Obama signs out front being firebombed. If that does happen and there is additional retaliation, we are facing a crap fest like the US has never seen before. It will come down to the takers vs. the makers- I doubt the makers will let it go very easily.

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The Anti-Alinsky

3:31 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Bren, how is that comment seditious? It in no way implies that we need to rebel. In fact, it subtly charges B.O. with sedition by failing to " preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".

And while I will blast attempts to censure people's thoughts and beliefs, many of those comments Michael refers to crossed an ethical line, if not a legal one!

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Taoist Crocodile

3:38 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Good grief, Craig. As far as I can see, there's no reason yet to believe that this car fire

1. - actually happened
2. - was committed by someone other that the owner
3. - was politically motivated in any way

Ask yourself why you're so eager to point to this incident as a politically motivated attack. There's just no reason to do that, unless one has an agenda that would benefit from such occurrences. Don't try to gin up persecution of conservatives where none has been proven.

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CowDung

3:58 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Tao:

Why are you so eager to dismiss the car fire as fabrication? There are lots of nuts in the world that have a deep hatred for conservatives, and would do this sort of thing...

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Bren

4:18 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Cow, Jason writes satirical articles and not everyone cares for or understands satire (you do). The tone of Ms. Lorraine's article could not be interpreted as satire.

All I can say about Gitmo is that I'm disappointed that it's still open and there had to be compelling reasons why it is. Candidates don't have all of the national security information, nor should they. The entire U.S. presence in Cuba since Castro is controversial to say the least, something about a nominal U.S. land lease payment check being cashed early in the Castro regime, providing the position that Castro accepted the continued U.S. presence in the region by cashing the check and this is a legally binding agreement.

Craig, I'll definitely "leave the lighter and gas can at home." If this is an inference about the image of the rusted, burned out older vehicle that Ms. Lorraine posted on her article, I shall suspend disbelief about the story's veracity until I see a news report. When a car burns, it smells and there's a lot of smoke. And it makes some noise, too. Hard to ignore. In other parts of the world where people are fighting for their lives or suffering in refugee camps because of tyrannical regimes, I can't similarly compare our domestic disagreements.

Anti, the remark is inflammatory and infers that a situation exists that must be rectified. As such it is inciteful in my view. And I completely agree with you about the ethical line.

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Taoist Crocodile

4:19 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Give it a rest, Dung - I'm just stating the limits of what's known, and refraining from jumping to conclusions. See my previous post for a list of conclusions that are currently premature.

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CowDung

4:25 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Bren:

Jason has also written what he believes to be factual articles as well. He has made baseless accusations against many--Walker, Romney, Ryan, his 'neanderthal neighbors' and even the Waukesha wastewater treatment plant. More often than not, you post in support of Jason's opinions rather than hold him accountable when he's wrong.

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Bren

4:35 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Much of what Jason writes is satirical, with basis in fact. Someone who hasn't done their research wouldn't know that. And he's been on the receiving end of some/quite a few personal attacks here on Patch as well.

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Craig

4:38 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Tao, Bren and friends: Noelle clearly stated, " As of this am there is an official arson investigation under way headed by Sgt.. Consteanu of the Muskego PD. That is all I can say at this time. Whatever you'd like to try and find out through them is perfectly fine with me."
Before you call someone a liar, at least due your due diligence and investigate it a little further. To jump to conclusions that one would pretend this happened is as bad as the act of arson itself.
Bren; as to the condition of the car...does it matter if it is a 2012 Lexus or a 1980 Chevette? I think not. Someone burns my property, they better damn well hope the cops get them before me. My ten year old Chevy Impala has a little rust on it, I certainly don't feel the need to replace it with a new $35,000 Impala because of that.

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CowDung

4:44 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

OK Bren, then perhaps you can explain how it is at all factual for Jason to make the claim that the Waukesha WWTP is going to contaminate the Root River by sending 'flushed toilet water full of poop' to Oak Creek. Was that supposed to be satire, and we really weren't supposed to call Sanfelippo's office to complain about the plan to put poop in the Root River?

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Bren

4:55 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Craig, I wrote that I would suspend disbelief about the car, that's the best I can offer.

Cow, I wouldn't call any politician to complain about anything unless I was armed with facts. While information posted in an article or comment may lead to an exploration of discovery, I can't and won't accept anything I read at face value. One can write anything.

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Michael McClusky

7:41 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Bren Mr. Ruble cannot even defend his own blogs adequately, let alone speak before our Congress or the United Nations without first contradicting himself every chance he gets.

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Ima Hippee

7:51 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Bren - if your excuses were nails you could build a house.

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Bren

9:58 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Michael, I disagree with your view of Mr. Ruble's discourse. I find his analytical skills to be brilliantly astute. An extraordinary intellect.

Ima, I'm looking for any excuses I have made in this thread. That's going to be a very small house. ; )

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Michael McClusky

10:03 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Bren Does that include his contempt for white men and his current disavowing of any common moral standards within our society? Yeah, pretty brilliant.

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Craig

10:12 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Ima: I think Bren has been tentative, but not critical on this topic. I can not disagree with Bren without having more information to support of nullify the claim. I am by nature a trusting person, and I trust Noelle at her word.
That being said, you mention the excuses and nails...My dad used to say, "If bullshit was music, you'd be a brass band!"
Thanks for the reminder. ;-P

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Bren

10:12 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Michael, you are entitled to your own interpretations, certainly.

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James R Hoffa

10:45 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Bren -

Just admit that you're enamored with and constantly in awe of Hoffa's clearly superior intellect ;-)

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Bren

8:20 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Random, Mr. Hoffa! ; )

No insult to you intended, but the limits of my intellect have yet to be reached. We'll compare notes when it is.

Noelle Lorraine

2:39 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@santori. Yes, I'm sick and tired of the rude commenters on here. And spare me the sick in the head posts. It's generic.

Neil John Smith

3:37 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

"Cowards Awakend Sleeping Giant"???? Are you calling Noelle fat?

Neil John Smith

3:40 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Noelle forgot a coule on her profile:

"I am self absorbed"
"I am an egomaniac"
"I believe the world revolves around me"

Noelle Lorraine

3:44 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Wow. Personal attacks. According to commenters now I'm a fat, narsistic egomaniac! It's ok. I have broad shoulders and thick skin.

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Neil John Smith

3:54 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Not me....Micheal said "Awaken a Sleeping Giant". Micheal said you are a "Sleeping Giant". I would never make a personal attack against someone

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EveKendall

5:23 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

If that were in fact the case, you would not need people to come to your defense nor would you feel the need to comment after your blog was posted. I am VERY familiar with the tactics that your buddies, the KNOTbillies perpetrate. I would say for that alone, there is guilt by association and one would find it hard to believe anything you claim. I doubt that your car was torched because of your political affiliation more likely it was directed at you as a person and therefore done for personal reasons. Being the drama queen you are, you are using it as fuel in your fight, which in it's self quite pathetic Why must republicans always try to prove THEY are being persecuted for their beliefs? I guess it's really hard being white.

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Craig

7:18 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Christ Eve; take a Midol and eat some chocolate ice cream. Just because you can't make use of your free birth control this week doesn't give you free reign to be a bitch.

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Joanna

8:45 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@EveK
You reference a bar event. I was present at that event. You were not. How is it that you proclaim to know "truth" regarding this subject? Your willingness to outright claim truth here makes me wonder how anyone can trust you as a legitimate and truthful source on a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.

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stephen murdock

12:27 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

nope you just like to lie...and sit on traffic cones...

Lyle Ruble

4:02 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

C'mon people, this blog doesn't deserve this kind of attention. Noelle's credibility has been challenged and we don't need to rehash the whole mess. We all have histories and some sage once said: "Those who are without sin, cast the first stone".

Let the proper authorities investigate any possible crimes and if it comes to something, then they will let us know.

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Michael McClusky

5:35 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@Lyle Your own blogs don't deserve any attention either. Stop casting doubt on others when it is you with the sad case issues.

Noelle Lorraine

4:03 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Neil rubble says, and I quote:
"Noelle forgot a coule on her profile:
"I am self absorbed"
"I am an egomaniac"
"I believe the world revolves around me"

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Neil John Smith

4:08 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Noelle. Read your profile and your last blog post. Count the number of times you say "I". Do you not see it?

My comments weren't a personal attack, they're an observation about you.

Bert

4:16 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Wouldn't be the first time a political zealot sought publicity by committing a crime against herself. Remember the McCain canvasser who was "attacked" by a big mean black man? He even carved a word in her forehead, and had the foresight to carve it backwards so she could read it while looking in the mirror! IIRC, FauxNoise went bananas with that story up until the woman fessed up to fabricating the whole thing.

I hope, for her sake, that this blogger isn't fabricating this incident, and that the perpetrator is caught. However, given the mass of incendiary comments in the interwebs throughout this election, it's difficult to believe that some crazy liberal would choose a completely unknown blogger on a community bulletin board site to go after. Like he couldn't find Belling's address?!? There's more than hint of publicity stunt in this one.

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EveKendall

5:31 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I agree Bert. It reminds me of the hub bub the Waukesha republican's threw about that bar last summer. They tried to say they were asked to leave because they were wearing tee shirts that supported Walker, the story came out and that wasn't the case but all the right wingnut pundits in the area reported as truth. Another one was that Liberals were killing conservative's puppies. Oh, puh-lease.

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CowDung

5:38 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

What about those claims that republicans were claiming that people were making death threats against them because of the BRB? When the story came out, it ended up being a teacher that ended up being charged with two felony counts and two misdemeanor counts for the threats. Oh puh-lease...

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EveKendall

8:20 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

CowDung, She was a early childhood teacher, which is basically a babysitter. You guys have a hard time telling the truth, eh?

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CowDung

8:54 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Are you saying that referring to an 'early childhood teacher' as a 'teacher' is not being truthful? If she has 'teacher' in her title, then it's probably safe to say that she is a 'teacher'. You guys have a hard time hearing the truth, eh?

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EveKendall

9:03 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

She doesn't work for the State of Wisconsin, and isn't in the teachers union so no, she wouldn't fit under the category of "teacher". I have no problem with telling the truth.

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CowDung

9:11 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Eve:

Are you truly that stupid? Please explain to me why one would have to work for the state of Wisconsin and be a member of the teacher's union in order to be called a 'teacher'?

You do realize that there are hundreds of private schools in Wisconsin that employ non-union teachers, don't you?

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Bert

12:26 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

It's odd that this crime isn't showing up on Muskego PD's crime report. There are two vehicle damage reports, but both date to late October.
http://webapps.ci.muskego.wi.us/crimewatch/

Randy1949

7:31 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Oh please. Noelle, with her sarcasm, immaturity, and over-emotionalism, sets very poor example for Conservatives in general. Her blog was full of contempt for people who did various things that she considered 'whoring' or living off the one percent. In light of what was revealed, it was hypocritical.

If you are going to throw stones like that, you had better be without sin.

Noelle can say what she like -- I wish she would continue to do so -- because she provides an excellent reason for not voting Republican.

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Steve ®

7:49 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

What office was she running for?

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Randy1949

8:17 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Steve -- do you have to be running for office to be criticized for the contents of a blog?

@Chris Rhine -- I know. I'm good friends with a young conservative man who makes his points with such calm grace that, while i don't agree with him politically, I respect him greatly. He doesn't have to insult people to get his point across.

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Steve ®

8:26 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

So you answered with a question. Good job.

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Randy1949

8:29 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Steve -- Since you asked, i think Noelle had ambitions of becoming Wisconsin's own version of Michelle Bachman eventually. I'd advise against it.

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James R Hoffa

9:59 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Randy1949 -

Hoffa couldn't agree with you more on this issue - you definitely hit the nail on the head with this one!

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Craig

10:52 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

What the..?
I am SO out of the loop!
Randy and Hoffa must'a buried a body together or something.

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James R Hoffa

11:07 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Craig -

Trust Hoffa on this one - Randy1949 is 110% correct on this issue!

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Bren

8:12 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Craig, trust Randy and Mr. Hoffa...

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Randy1949

10:54 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Yes, Randy and Hoffa agreeing. Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria . . .

Check outside your windows, folks. It must be raining toads out there.

All I have is my own eyes to judge. Hoffa might be in a better position.

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Craig

12:47 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Bren: Craig does trust Hoffa and Randy, he would even give them keys to Craig's house when he is out of town.
I think I missed something at some point in the past.
I always try not to have preconceived notions about people until I know them myself.
I hope that some of the accusations being stated on this thread are not true, but I will refrain from making an assumption about nonfactual information until such time the truth comes out.

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Randy1949

1:04 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Craig. Yes, you missed something. Anyone who was subscribed to Ms. Lorraine's blog saw posts that were deleted. Anyone who used that information to check for themselves (it's a matter of public record) gained some insight into her veracity.

I don't know who set fire to her car or if it was even set on fire. If so, shame on that person.

Ima Hippee

7:45 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Randy - spare us the stones and sin. Lyle already crapped all over it. Go back to griping about some handout you should have that someone else earned.

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EveKendall

8:01 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Ima Hippee, gosh you are so original! Republican's go to statements: handouts...blah..blah...blah...lazy...blah...blah...blah

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Randy1949

8:12 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Suit yourself, Ima Hippee. All I can tell you is that I have yet to take any kind of handout or 'entitlement', and unlike some others, I have yet to stiff a hard-working small businessman on a bill and get taken to court.

The really interesting thing about Ms. Lorraine is that she was in the paid employ of Americans For Prosperity while she was organizing that 'grassroots' rally for Scott Walker in Hart Part back in January.

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Ed Willing

8:19 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Gosh, Eve, YOU'RE so original, mocking with childish missives. "blah blah blah"

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EveKendall

8:30 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Edward, I write what you can understand...I dumb it done for ya, so to speak.

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Craig

10:15 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

And then some.
Up is done not down...

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Michael McClusky

5:42 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@Ima Hippee Just because Lyle is mentally and morally bankrupt doesn;t mean he can't have decent conversation about something. Talk to him about the weather or something just as engrossing.

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Ed Willing

11:50 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@Eve
"...I dumb it done for ya, so to speak."

What exactly does "dumb it done" mean? I'm lost......

Chris Rhine

8:01 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

If anyone actually believes this was arson I have some beach property to sell you in Alaska.

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Roy Innis

8:13 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Chris, you know there are beaches in Alaska, right? I'm not saying that you go swimming at them or sunbathing but there are beaches.

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stephen murdock

12:23 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

roy if you went to a beach...green peace would roll you back in the ocean...

EveKendall

8:12 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

This will go the way of the killing puppies claim.

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ELantow

9:30 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Or Kyle, the gay republican volunteer who claimed liberals beat him up and who gave fake texts to mediatrackers. Then he changed his story.

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Ed Willing

11:56 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Hey Elantow, the attack on Sean Kedzie really happened. And so did the nails dropped in the parking lot of a family-event rally in Racine. I was there and saw it myself.

Dont' forget the slashed-tires incident years ago in Milwaukee, or the woman arrested in Detroit for punching a Romney voter in the face at a polling station, then smacked the police that detained her.

This story here seems trumped up to be something it's not. I don't believe she actually set fire to her car, but it's clearly being milked for more than the police/fire are finding. even still, pretending that your side isn't the one with a reputation for psychotic and violent behavior only does you more wrong. Acknowledging the problem, then weeding those fools out, or teaching something different in your schools would be a good place to start. Because it's kind of hard to separate philosophy from the rap-sheet anymore.....

Just keep it in perspective. Noelle didn't torch someone else's car. But the threats of violence by the Left are real, and not against their own vehicles.

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Randy1949

12:09 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@Edward Willing -- If there's weeding to be done, you can start in your own garden. The last five days taught me this lady has a problem with the truth. That's as plainly as I can say it.

Obviously, you conservatives have no control over someone who makes you look bad. Neither do we liberals.

NateN

8:32 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

This seems like a desperate cry for attention. If you write a blog, you should be able to let it stand on its own legs. You shouldn't be defending yourself in the comment section. Now she says someone set her car on fire. Remember when Morton Downey drew a swastika on his face and said he's been attacked by White Supremesists in a bathroom because if his beliefs.

NateN

8:39 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I suggest that everyone waits for an investigation before assuming this was arson. I have a feeling that this will turn out to be something that is being used for publicity. If that's the case, there certainly will be unfavorable publicity, both for Ms. Lorraine and the people who work with her for the conservative cause. That would truly be a shame for those who seem to blindly trust her.

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Noelle Lorraine

8:55 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

That's what I am saying Nate- to wait to hear. I cannot imagine what else it would be. The car had not been moved in nearly 24 hours. The fire started on the back seat accordong to the fire investigator and I got threats the day before- to which I have screen captures for. I owed no money on the car and I only had liability. My homeowners does not cover it either- so that rules that out. As far as attention- with the wonderful people in my llife- attention is not something I am hungry for. So nice try. We do have to wait for the official determination though. That is what I keep repeating if you can read.

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ELantow

9:28 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Ms. Lorraine claims to knot want attention yet, all she has done since Saturday is bring more and more attention to herself. I do not know one person who believes this arson story. She claims that she keeps saying she is waiting for the investigation, but, on facebook, different story. She adamantly claimed it was liberals who did it. She encouraged everyone to spread it, and they did. Now she is trying to blame someone else for people not believing her. By the way, Scott Philips is actually Heather Bronnson and Wedge Donovan is Matt Lepperd/Matt Wynns.

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Chris Rhine

7:42 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Whatever will you do when they tell you it was something innocent - that it was not arson - after you've so dramatically pointed fingers at people? Perhaps you should wait for the report to be released before creating so much drama.

Has it occurred to you at all how badly this will reflect upon the GOP in general if you're wrong? And how ignorant you and the people who have bout into this will look?

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Randy1949

11:09 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@Chris Rhine -- It has been my point that Noelle has reflected badly on the GOP since last winter.

That said, I feel obliged to speak to this. For 24 hours, initially, her most recent blog was closed to comments. When that was rectified and I made a comment myself, it was the third in the thread, but based on Ms. Lorraine's reaction above me ("Wow!") there was a deleted comment. I have no idea what it said, or if it was threatening in nature.

Subsequently, there were some posts made that revealed personal information and caused the blog to be closed to comments again.

James R Hoffa

9:13 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Why are so many people blind to the truth that lies right in front of them?

James R Hoffa

9:17 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Who are the cowards, what lies did they tell, and what is the point, if any, of this blog?

Matt

9:35 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Michael,

I fully agree with you. We are all patriots of this great country. While I have never met Noelle or you, I have respect for both you for caring about this country, and taking time to write your thoughts for all of us. My one time I have talked with Noelle via comments on her blog, and I am very different in terms of policy and political leanings, we both agreed it was nice to talk as humans and agree to disagree and have no hate slewing from our words.

So as an activist and leader in Waukesha Co. I want to pass on my deepest apologizes to anyone who has been attacked by the words of anyone with Democratic leaning. I know both sides are "guilty" of this, but I also know the few who do speak this way do not represent the whole that do not.

As a man who spent hours getting recall signatures, I know how cruel people can be when they dont agree with you.

So here is to us together from completely different political leaning, standing together and asking everyone to not attack each other, but attack the ideas. Because we all want this country to grow and get better, we just disagree on who. Once we can agree on that, we can all move one step forward to getting real work and change done.

Thanks for reading my comment.

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James R Hoffa

9:44 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

@Matt -

The best patriots, on both sides of the political spectrum, lead by example and actually practice what they preach. Do not be fooled by the disingenuous!

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Chris Rhine

11:41 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Surprisingly thoughtful - thanks Matt.

Bob McBride

9:36 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I guess this kind of explains the demise of TV soap operas. Why watch them when you can be in one of your own?

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Taoist Crocodile

11:00 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Eve is really Beth, is really Brad, is really Ricardo, is really Josephus, is really... SAAAAATAAAAANNN!

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Sheeeeeit

12:01 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Wiscobillies can't even fathom that there may be three (or four) different, articulate women that disagree with them. Knotzies are the archetype of fake profiles. Isn't that right Roy Innis/Kirt Diggler/Nom Deplume?

stephen murdock

12:04 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

hahahahaha...roy innis...hahahahahaha...what a joke...you disgusting human being...how is L & M...

Mike

7:02 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

"A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality." is a quote from President John F. Kennedy not Churchill.
Be careful; misquoting someone can cause problems and leave you with egg on your face.

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Ed Willing

12:00 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

The egg would be on the face of democrats who would never nominate JFK today.

He was more conservative than blue dogs today.

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stephen murdock

1:30 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

no the egg on the face is no arson....hahahahahaha

Neil John Smith

9:04 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

This blog has turned crazy. I say we all get together for drinks. I'll get a pool and fill it with jello and Eve and Noelle can put some bikinis on and wrestle in it.

EveKendall

9:48 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Personally I like the name RIcardo...I shall now be known as such.

ELantow

10:49 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

If people are doubting her story, maybe it is because they have been calling the Muskego Police Department who have been saying it was not reported as arson and they had no reason to think it is arson. Now, after being challenged, she is having them reinvestigate? There are conflicting stories between here and Facebook, where she claimed the Waukesha Sheriff's office is investigating, meanwhile, she is trying to take pressure off of herself and revictimize herself once again by claiming that people are picking on her and don't believe her. Here is a fact, Mrs Lorraine (not her real name mind you) FIRST reported that liberals threatened her then burned down her car. She encouraged everyone to repeat it and spread it around. Now here, she says she does not know and she gets mad when people doubt her. I think most people are angry that she won't shut up about it and has offered ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of anything! Nothing! Where is the original police report from Saturday??? Not today, but Saturday.

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stephen murdock

11:05 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

i heard she dropped a hot meth pipe on the seat...

Chris Rhine

11:41 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

The sad fact is this is a ploy for attention - she knows we conservatives are up in arms over our loss last week so why not use a happy accident to martyr herself and drive the base? Unfortunately she didn't think very far ahead and is now stuck between a lie and a hard place. She can deny it all she wants, claim the investigation was faulty, whatever... in the end all she has done is make a fool out of herself and her loyal friends who have gone all in to defend her because they believe her. That's the saddest piece of all, the fact that she would use her friends this way.

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ELantow

12:15 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

If anyone would bother calling the police, they would find out for themselves this is all a big lie. And there is no investigation, never was, never will be. It wasn't arson and she knew that the minute the FD and PD left her house that morning. Call the Muskego PD at (262) 679-4130 ask for the detective bureau, ask about the car fire out on Woods. They will tell you. Now, they have been alerted to the fact that Noelle is claiming that Lt Constantineau is working an arson case. That is a lie. Waukesha is not working on it, the FBI is not working on it. Chris is right, she is trying to martyr herself and be important, and she isn't. She has asked people for money to replace her car and that is why she is making this up, because if she told people the truth, they wouldn't give her a dime, they would just call her a fool for not having insurance.

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Denise Konkol

1:20 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

@ELantow: please DON'T inundate the PD with calls. They have better use of their time than to quell rumors.

stephen murdock

12:16 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

so some new information has come to light...roy actually looked at the engine in the car before it was burned...the engine was shot...the car was worthless...typical knotz bs...

Sheeeeeit

12:22 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Does this mean the giant can go back to sleep? Nighty night!

Bert

12:44 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Conservatives are used to being lied to by media figures who want to whip them into a frenzy. Conservative David Frum explained to Conservative Joe Scarborough how conservatives have been "fleeced and lied to" by the "conservative entertainment complex". It's just an occupational hazard of living in a make-believe information vacuum. I suspect there are at least a few bubble world residents who know in their hearts that they're being taken for fools. The rest will believe absolutely anything, no matter how ludicrous or contrary to simple reason.

As for Ms. Lorraine, her shenanigans ought to be investigated by police. Did she intentionally set the fire in her car? Did she attempt to defraud people, asking for money under the guise that she was the victim of a political hate crime? (Granted, she would have been attempting to defraud brainless imbeciles on the right, but it's still a crime even if the mark is a brainless imbecile.)

As for Patch, if this is all a hoax, does this sink Ms. Lorraine below the extremely low bar for bloggers on this site, and justify turning off her blogging privileges? I understand that Bryant Divilbiss is permitted to regurgitate pre-chewed baloney that he hears on Rush Limbaugh and FoxNews, no matter how utterly fact-free it is. But I suspect that using Patch as a vehicle for fraud would besmirch what low ethical standards the site has.

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Randy1949

12:52 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

If she asked for money here I must have missed it. But if she has, it's problematic.

I'm familiar with the *some misfortune has befallen me please send money to help out a friend* tactic on the net. In my case it was that thieves stole a laptop during a break-in, and the person turned out to be completely fake. People need to take that sort of thing with a grain of salt.

FreeThought Troy

1:03 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

I believe both sides are guilty of this very thing. As much as I love Ed Schultz, he did a report on Paul Ryan's first interview and blasted him for his views. That was out of line. The clips Ed played I agreed with. Republicans polling was off and they had no idea the urban areas would turn out the way they did. I didn't get the vibe Paul Ryan was doing anything but analyzing the loss as he say it.

As poor an attitude I have for Fox News and the Conservative media I would like to take a moment to call a truce. We need adults to have adult conversations to address our issues. The constant finger pointing and lack of trust doesn't do anyone any good.

Let us all let by gones be by gones and move foreward from here.

Denise Konkol

1:19 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Arson is NOT suspected. This comes from the investigating officer, Capt. John La Tour, the fire chief, and as of last night the chief of police. If Lt. Constantineau is investigating this, it is news to the rest of the department. It's also why we haven't posted a story on a fire involving a $300 car. Time to move along...

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Mark Maley

1:31 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012

And with that comment from Muskego Editor Denise Konkol, who HAS looked into what happened, we are going to shut down the comments on this post. Too much innuendo, name-calling, etc.

The editor has closed comments for this Blog Post.