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What is Your View on Leashes to Keep Children From Running Off?

Honestly, my thoughts on this is there is no need. I worked in daycare for years. I had many kinds of children in my care. I took every single one of them on a walk while holding onto a walking rope. (Think of a rope with little loops they can hold on to). It is like a child holding your hand, but 20 of them. We walked on busy streets and there were no issues. We talked about what was required and if they did not listen they could not go next time and followed through with it.

With my own son I would hold his hand and walk with him. When I was getting things out of the car he had to touch the car with one finger so that he wouldn't get away from the car and get hurt. Literally touches the car with one finger and I know I can trust him not to bolt. He knows that means he goes back into the car and it is over.

I guess I just do not see the need. Someone enlighten me please.

Mr Lundt

9:41 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Child leashes are great.

They let the rest of the world know who the lazy, inept parents are. That way it is easier for us to avoid them.

The kids suffer but for those leash-parents it really was never about the kids.

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carrie carter

10:53 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

God only gives the lively, hyperactive children to special parents and you are certainly not one of them...

robin white

9:54 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

That is ridiculous. How will you ever teach your child responsibility if you put them on a leash? Children need to learn rules, boundaries and consequences. Take your eyes of your i-phone and watch them to keep them from darting away .Problem solved. It amazes me how lazy people can be in regards to their own kids.

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Randy1949

3:19 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Children develop impulse control at different ages, and before they do you can't expect them to understand rules, consequences, or anything else. As I said, it depends on the individual child and their tendencies. It also depends on the circumstances the parents are dealing with. It's one thing to keep a toddler's hand in your own while you're near a street of in a crowded store. It's a little harder to do while pushing a stroller or carrying packages.

I never had to resort to a leash, but if I'd had to, I would have used one.

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Craig

3:45 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Randy I agree, but you have to understand...
oh something shiney !

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Randy1949

5:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Something shiny? Too bad it was an oncoming Peterbilt.

My point is that discipline and rules go only so far with really young children since they simply don't have the impulse control yet.

Lisa Johnson

9:56 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

As a grandmother with rheumatiod arthritis of a 2 year old grandaughter who likes to dart off, it's the best way for both her to be safe and me to have peace of mind that my inability to run after her doesn't keep us from enjoyiing a walk together. Would I ever be able to forgive myself if something happened because I felt that people would look at me as lazy?

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Mama Bear

7:18 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Thank you for explaining it to me in a great way Lisa.

Louise

9:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

How about this, mind your own business. You have no idea why the parent might have decided that using one is best for *their* child. Maybe there are special needs involved, maybe the parent suffers from a condition where they wouldn't be able to chase an unruly toddler. You don't know. From what I can see judging by the kids that my kids come in contact with here in Waukesha, there are few parents who are actually doing their jobs, so perhaps worry about parenting your own kids and not have some self important ” concern” for other parents abilities.

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Karen

10:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Agree, people need to stop judging people. My son was a wanderer. However, I never "leashed" him, (not that I have not thought about it)
but if its done for SAFETY reasons only I can understand.

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yomammy

3:59 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

louise--- so you are saying most parents in waukesha are not doing their jobs?!?
so its OK to use a leashe if you dont do your job as a parent?

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Greg

4:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

"Karen
10:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Agree, people need to stop judging people."

Karen,
There is nothing wrong with judging people. You probably judge people all the time. Actually, it would be really stupid to stop judging people.

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Mama Bear

7:20 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I simply asked why people do. So...the fact that you are taking such offense to it makes me question you. My kid is fine thank you very much. My child listens to his mom, is happy and respectful. Thanks for being concerned about my child.

Wendy Krummel-Stuff

10:05 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Although I never used a "leash" when my kids were young, I would never consider myself a LAZY parent if I did....Its not about harnessing children because you find it more important to use your iphone, but rather keeping your children close and safe! When my kids were young, keeping 3 children under the age of 6 safe and close when moving through a crowded airport or mall was most challenging. I agreee with the two ladies above. mind your own business, and worry about your own children and parenting methods. Its not like its abusive. I would recommend focusing your attention on those who dont give a crap where their kids are roaming, or worse yet, those who beat and abuse their children.

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Rosanna Balistreri

10:14 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I say yay to the parent who knows they cannot have their hand on their child 24/7. In this day and age you can turn your head and your child might stay but someone might snag them up. Also when you have a 1 year old walking around you can't expect him or her to not be distracted by other things. I know some people say kids aren't animals and shouldn't be on a leash but you know what, if it is a difference between my child being abducted or hit by a car in a parking lot, give me the leash!

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ann

11:04 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Having raised 4 boys my opinion is this: If your child has that much energy you are a parent are not allowing them to get outside often enough. Talk them on hikes and tire them out. Soon you will see the energy level lessen and the need for a medevil leash not needed.

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Richard Head

11:06 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I'd personally be OK with shock collars and electronic invisible fences. Many dogs exhibit better manners and training than some peoples offspring.

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Christine McLaughlin

11:10 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

They make me cringe but, having had one child who was a "runner" and escape artist, I understand why someone would use one. The other two children I had were easy enough to keep track of and more docile about following the rules the stern folks above refer to. But kids are not all the same, and neither are all parents.

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CowDung

11:15 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I can definitely see how the use of a 'leash' can be helpful for parents, particularly those who are alone, with multiple kids in crowded places with lots of distractions or possible dangers (like traffic). I guess I don't see it as being any different than a 'hands free' version of the 'rope with loops' that the author of the blog mentioned.

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NObama 2012

11:20 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

While you're at...why not feed them from a bowl on the floor and stick them in a cage at night?

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Jay Sykes

12:01 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I don't know about everyday use, but the 'leash' worked great, years ago, when teaching the kids to ski. Much better than chasing an out of control four year old down the hill! Easier to pick them up from a fall, as it is attached like a paratrooper harness.

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yomammy

3:59 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

skiin leash WAY different concept.

ddlc78

12:02 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I had a little teddy bear back-pack with a leash for my son when he was little. I used it when went some where that had large crowds, places like Summerfest or the French Quarter. I really don't see why people are saying that leashes are a bad thing or that the parents that use them are lazy. So you don't want to use a leash with your child but that doesn't mean it's ok to get down on people who do use them, especially when you're going to start name calling, that comes across as childish and ignorant kind of like you don't have something logical to say about your opinion so all you can do is start name calling. The leash let my son go ahead of me and explore his environment without being stuck at my side while being safe. My Mom used a leash with my younger brother and I and I don't feel demeaned or any thing and I remember her using the leash with us. Now I've witnessed people yanking on their kids leash like they're a dog or something and that's really messed up but if someone is using it as an extra safety measure and they're not treating their child like an animal then I don't see any thing wrong with using a leash.

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ddlc78

12:29 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I never used a leash when we were running errands just in crowded places. When went grocery shopping I'd usually put him in the car right away or have him hold onto the shopping cart or the car. That's my point: there is an appropriate time for a safety harness and bopping around town running errands is not in my opinion.

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Tara Lenihan

1:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I have never used one, but if I didn't take a stroller to places like the zoo or a festival; I can see how handy they might be. It only takes a second; I believe most people use them as a safety measure and not so that they don't have to watch their kid. Besides, some children have difficulties that are not a result of lazy parenting. Those children deserve to go places too. When we were kids my parents were big on car-seats and seat belts... they didn't drive like jerks. Laws have since caught up. I understand when people judge the parenting of child who is being allowed to be destructive; but why are parents being judged when they are providing added safety for their children?

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Randy1949

10:51 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

I actually know someone who is all sniffy and superior about not using strollers. Her children were carried in baby slings exclusively, which of course is lovely so long as you're a strong enough person and you don't have a child that weighs more than average. There's always something to be judgmental about in the Wonderful World of Modern Parenting.

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CowDung

11:18 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

My wife and I gave the sling a try--it wasn't uncomfortable to wear at all. I found it much more comfortable than the 'Baby Bjorn' carrier--even with a bigger baby. Our problem was that we couldn't get past the feeling that the kid was going to roll out of it or the ring/loop would come undone and dump the kid onto the ground. Probably unfounded fears, but the stroller seemed to provide more peace of mind for us.

I think that parents need to do whatever seems to work best for them and not worry about what others think.

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Randy1949

11:43 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

I had the same experience with the slings -- They're fine if you're upright and walking, but not so good for bending over to pick something up. And it's the same with the back-carriers. There's one other drawback to the body-carriers -- if the parent were to fall, like on an icy sidewalk or a slippery trail, the infant or toddler has no control over the landing. With a stroller, you might be lying on the ground groaning, but the baby will be okay.

"I think that parents need to do whatever seems to work best for them and not worry about what others think."

Boy howdy, this is a lesson we all learn with experience, especially as a grandparent. Children are all different. What works with one won't work with another, and they don't come with instruction manuals. My grandson does things his father never did, and while some of it may be nurture, there's some nature involved.

Kari

2:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I am so sick and tired of being judged on how good or bad a job I'm doing as a parent. I am far from lazy, nor do my children need to play outside more to burn off extra energy. If I want to put a safety harness on my child, I will. I don't need a reason, and I don't need anyone's permission or approval. If you don't see the need, then don't use them. But don't climb on your high horse and look down on other people because they might use them.

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Mr Lundt

3:34 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

No one is saying that you can't put kids on a leash. You are not being forbidden from doing anything.

The notion that we are forbidden from making judgement based on clear evidence of others actions is absurd.

Steve ®

3:45 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I was in Hollywood at one of the outdoor malls. Typical California liberal mother had girl child tied up with a panda bear themed leash.

Order as we are getting onto an escalator going down.

California liberal Mother - young girl - Me - My Mother

Mother Gets on escalator. Girl does not. Girl can't figure out how, is scared will not step on, refuses to step on, starts to worry.

Escalator is going down, down, down

Mother is still holding onto the leash as it is tightening up and losing slack.

At the last second before the girl gets face planted on a metal escalator step traveling down I pick her up, carry her to the same step the mother is standing on.

Stupidity is leashing your child then putting them more in risk than what you are preventing.

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Christine McLaughlin

3:48 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

And no one is forbidding you from letting your unleashed opinions go roaming, either, Mr. Lundt, though others will remark upon them. Please don't try to make it look like anything but your own preference is involved in your judgment. The only "clear evidence" here is that some people use lines for their kids and some people don't like it.

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Mr Lundt

3:55 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

SO we agree Christine.

No one suggested you can't use a leash and the rest of us are free to think what we want about the people that use the leash.

The issue that I brought up was look at all of the people whining about me(and others) making judgements.

You don't need to apologize for your leash anymore than I do for judging your for using it.

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gardengirl

2:43 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

So does this mean it won't bother you in the least when you park in a handicap spot with the necessary sticker and everyone judges you as being lazy because you don't have a wheelchair? I would bet that based on your attitude you have commented on these people several times not knowing that they actually have another medical condition. It's easy to judge people based on only the limited facts you have in front of you.

yomammy

4:01 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

hey son!!
wheres your ball...wheeeeers you ballll.

go for ride? go for ride?

no..no down boy...

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Alol

4:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The stuffed animal/backpack leash is great for layovers at the ATL/Hartsfield airport with a toddler. That airport and many others aren't equipped with a playroom that my child can use to burn energy, and pushing him in his stroller doesn't let him move in that huge, crowded airport; if I had to chase my child through any area of it, I might cause an accident. Same thing with Summerfest or any other crowded venue. It allows the child move and use his/her body/have freedom, but guarantees that they don't get lost. I'd say that's worth braving judgement and dodging stink-eye from people who should be minding their own business in the first place.

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Mr Lundt

4:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

It is funny. The question posed is "What is Your View on Leashes "When we give our view---we are accused of being judgemental.

No pleasing some people.

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Greg

4:29 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

This must be a "women's reproductive health issue".

ann

4:39 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

any parent who needs a harness for a child is doing something wrong. That child isn't getting enough exercise....turn off the Honey Boo Boo ,put away the Mt Dew, and keep that kid outside playing......like we used to do in the 'old days'.

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Kari

7:50 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr. Lundt, based on your comments, you are obviously an older single man, probably driving a mid-life crisis type sports car, treating women like they are lower class citizens.
Ann, seriously? This has absolutely nothing to do with kids getting enough exercise. My mom used a safety harness back in the "old days", so this is not a new concept. It's a parent trying to keep a child safe.

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Jake

8:00 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

All I have to say about most of these comments is that they never had to deal with a hyperactive child, much less a hyperactive child with 4 siblings in the same age range, as was the case in my family.

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Mr Lundt

8:36 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Kari
I appreciated the laugh at how far you are off on my demographic. Your ignorance is only topped by your desire to try to demonize those that dare have a different opinion.

There was a request for us to share our opinions. As has been more on display, only per approved opinions are appreciated.

Tough

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Kari

10:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I believe it was you, Mr. Lundt, that started this string with ignorance. You labeled any person who used a safety strap as "lazy and inept". Is that not an attempt to demonize a group which has a different opinion than yours?
Your opinion is only appreciated when it does not begin with stereotypes and name calling.
I am aware that not everyone will agree with the choices I make as a parent, but telling me that my children are suffering because of those choices, will get you a heated debate.

ddlc78

9:22 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

It's one thing to share your opinion but people are saying that parents that use a safety harness are lazy or don't let their kids go outside enough, that's not stating an opinion that's being presumptuous and judgemental.

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Greg

9:30 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

o·pin·ion
[uh-pin-yuhn]
noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

Alol

12:13 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

And by the way, "Mama Bear, how nice for you that you've been so blessed with a son who is able to understand the concept of not running off or bolting in a parking lot or other crowded venue. Some children who have developmental disabilities, ADHD, or different energy levels might not understand that concept--which isn't to say that their parents are any less vigilant or careful than you are. The fact that you took the time to write this blog is kind of judgmental to begin with. I would've hoped that as a fellow mother you would perhaps be able to see past the need to call attention to parents for whom a "leash" is a necessary method for keeping their kids out of danger, and just quietly feel thankful that you don't have to undergo the public scrutiny/shaming that undoubtedly goes along with it. You probably wrote this with an underlying intent but will mask it under the guise of claiming that you "just want to understand" the need for such a method, but it comes off as snarky when you publish it as a blog on a public forum. To each their own, live and let live. Find something more important to get people worked up about.

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Luke

12:18 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Who needs a leash when you can use an electric collar with a remote?

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Mr Lundt

3:07 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Apparently a few people have no idea what an opinion is but still have little tolerance for those that have different ones.

It was even taken to the extreme of being told that merely asking for an opinion was somehow bad.

The perpetually offended ride again.

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Michael

8:51 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

as far as I'm concerned, leashes are for dogs. people these days have so many excuses as to why they need to keep their child on a leash. as parents all we have to do is pay attention

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dills

10:19 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Many of you preach too much! Your life has been too easy and too blessed! Until you can take the view of another persons struggles, you might want to keep your lips zipped. Children don't all learn the same way, and a parent using a leash is not a bad parent. This actually might be the BEST parent, the one who has found the best way to keep their child safe. You are snobs, thinking you are superior to other people, and not understanding anything but your own perfect world. When life gives you a bad hand, lets hope understanding comes your way.

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Mama Bear

7:35 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I asked for someone to explain it to me. You did not explain anything. You called people snobs. That is childish. I have had 20 kids at a time with 20 different personalities walking down a busy street without a leash. So explain why people need them. That is it. Someone explain. You all say not all kids are the same. Yep. Trust me...out of that 20 there were some real hyperactive ones. One who even said he was going to kill me with a knife let alone worrying about walking nicely without running.

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CowDung

10:24 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

You actually did use a leash, Mama Bear. It's just a leash for 20 kids instead of 1.

"I took every single one of them on a walk while holding onto a walking rope. (Think of a rope with little loops they can hold on to)."

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Randy1949

10:34 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

It wasn't really a leash if the kid could let go and run. It depends on the age of the children as to whether they could be trusted not to let go.

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CowDung

11:18 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

No different than walking a dog that can slip out of his collar. It's still a bunch of kids being led with a rope.

Mr Lundt

10:34 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

dills
We will add you to the list of people that don't understand the definition of opinion.

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Mike the Lucky One

10:54 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

I know what you mean. One guy on this thread gets uptight and needs to repost every time someone posts an opinion different than his own.

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Tara Lenihan

12:54 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Mr Lundt, the blogger asked to be enlightened as to the need for the use of the child leashes. Differing opinions on a specific subject will always bring context to anything that is debatable. Some posts are opinions about the type of parent a stranger is rather than a opinion of why a safety leash may or may not be a good idea. I'm certain that these posters have completely valid reasons for their secondary opinions; and look forward to reading the posts that relate directly to the use of child leashes, without the added presumptions/opinions/judgements/intuitions/assessments/estimates......

carrie carter

10:45 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

dills...finally a sensible response from a great person I would like as a friend...will share a little humor of my experience with a leash. My hyperactive 3 year old was hiding under the cloths racks and running around the store while I was carrying my 1 year old. Saw the leach, bought it, put it on my son..and...he crawled on his knees barking like a dog...I was soooo embarassed..never used it again...never shopped with the boys again...Sears catalog was my life saver until they got older..to those of you who have never had the privilege of raising a child like I had..you have my sympathy..you missed out on a lot of amazing memories. this little man of mine also got away from me in church...sitting in the back pew...he crawled all the way down under the pews to the front and got up to do his little "catch me if you can" dance. He is 50 now, a great father, husband, and great grandfather...the world is much brighter thanks to these little ones...

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carrie carter

10:45 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

dills...finally a sensible response from a great person I would like as a friend...will share a little humor of my experience with a leash. My hyperactive 3 year old was hiding under the cloths racks and running around the store while I was carrying my 1 year old. Saw the leach, bought it, put it on my son..and...he crawled on his knees barking like a dog...I was soooo embarassed..never used it again...never shopped with the boys again...Sears catalog was my life saver until they got older..to those of you who have never had the privilege of raising a child like I had..you have my sympathy..you missed out on a lot of amazing memories. this little man of mine also got away from me in church...sitting in the back pew...he crawled all the way down under the pews to the front and got up to do his little "catch me if you can" dance. He is 50 now, a great father, husband, and great grandfather...the world is much brighter thanks to these little ones...

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ddlc78

1:24 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Whenever parents go out in public we're judged. No matter what we do someone is going to at some point have a problem with the way we handle things. We use a stroller and we're in the way or our kid is too big for the stroller. We carry the kid and people think the kid is too big to be carried. We put a kid in a time-out and we're being too easy on them but if we give a kid a swat on the butt or their hand and we're beating them. We let our kid have a soda with his meal and we terrible parents that don't feed our child nutritious meals and when don't give the kid a soda we're mean because "come on it's not going to kill him to have one soda." We use a leash and we're lazy but the minute the kid gets away from you for a second and bumps into someone or knocks something over or gets lost or hurt we don't know how to keep track of our kids. I for one am going to continue raising my son the same way I have been for almost 8 years now. He is healthy, safe, loved, respectful, conscientious, smart, funny, creative, and follows the rules and listens even though I used a leash on him for a small amount of time when he was younger. And one more thing; I think that it is despicable to say that people that use a leash might be raising the next Newtown shooter. How can you possibly come to that conclusion????

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Randy1949

3:01 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

I'm coming a little bit late to the discussion, but I would have to say that it depends on the child. And the age of the child. There is an age before they possess the ability to control their own impulses, and a parent will have to do it for them somehow.

Years before I became a parent, I read Stephen King's Pet Sematary, in which a very young child darts into the road and is killed. I resolved that such a grief would never come to me, even if i had to look like I was being ridiculously over-protective. Any time we were near traffic, my son's hand was in mine -- until he was 8 years old. I never had to use a leash, but I darn well would have if that was the only way I could assure his safety.

It's better than smacking a very young child for running into the street. If they were old enough to reason with, they wouldn't do it, and fear of punishment isn't always a foolproof means of control.

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Bren

5:57 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

I would agree with your statements about the child and the parent. My mother wanted me to learn how to drive when I was 8 so I'd be equipped in the event of an emergency, but that wasn't comfortable for me. I much preferred cabs and buses and was independent very early on. Really every child should know their address and how to get a cab or get on a bus if one is separated from a parent. I recall how parents have a way of wandering off when there's someone interesting to talk to... ; )

Born Free

5:25 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Ah oh, I hear an opportunity for some WI Progressive Democrat legislator to pass a law first funded by a 3 million dollar tax payer paid study.

VOTING FRAUD IS 'DISENFRANCHISING'

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Mama Bear

7:30 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

First, I never even used the word lazy in my post. That was another reader. Second, I simply asked for your views and someone to explain the need to me. I have read your answers...some were quite angry for no reason. To that I say there is something underlying there. Hit a nerve. Wonder why?

To those of you that explained it respectfully thank you. I was able to handle 20 different kids with 20 different personalities without a leash so I do not ever need one. I have also had kids that are normally leashed with me when I watch others kids. I get down to their level and say if you run off or touch anything in this store you will sit on time out. Then...I follow through. They will do it. Time out right there in the isle. They get it eventually.

Is using a leash 100% bad? No...does it make me cringe? YES.

Do I think there are other ways...yes? I am always open to hearing things that have worked for others when it comes to parenting. However in this case I am not going to leash up when we have never needed one.

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CowDung

8:26 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

You wonder why? Because the purpose of the article seems to be to put down parents that aren't as 'good' as you and are challenged to keep their children under control. People don't like to have their parenting choices to be questioned, nor to people like that their parenting choices are so questionable that they need to be explained.

Your piece comes off as rather condescending and judgemental. You present yourself as the 'perfect' parent that doesn't see a need for a 'leash', and can't even comprehend why someone would use one--although it really is very similar to the looped rope thing that you admitted using.

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Tara Lenihan

2:00 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

One thing that gets me is that some of those opposed to leashed seem to compare them to animal leashes. I don't think that most people know that most of these 'packs' can be removed by the child. A friend of mine used one and her child actually preferred to have it when they were in very crowded places. I'm talking about a toddler, though, not a 6 year old.

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Randy1949

11:16 am on Friday, February 22, 2013

@Tara Lenihan -- Interesting comment about the animal leashes. Our law recognizes canine nature to the point that a leash is required on a dog, even though most dogs are capable of being trained to voice command. I say most of them, most of the time. However, not all dogs are perfectly 'trainable' and even the best dog can be distracted by a squirrel or a perceived threat from another dog. This is why we have leashes, and we don't call people lazy owners for using them.

A very young child has not yet developed discretion or self-control no matter how good a parent is. Theoretically, if all children were well-disciplined we would not need safety caps on medicines or child safety locks on other things. A harness with a strap seems extreme, but it might be prudent with some children. Better safe than sorry.

Mama Bear

8:28 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

No one is perfect. If it comes accross that way I am sorry. I was just giving examples. I did not parent those 20 kids in my classroom I was their teacher. I was hoping this would make people think instead of flip out but people are perfectly happy dealing with kids running all over the place, jumping on tables in restaurants, etc. There is a time and place for that and part of raising a kid to grow up to be a good adult is teaching them that in my opinion. Like all of you, I have a right to my opinion.

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CowDung

8:43 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Perhaps you should consider that many parents these days don't actually raise their own children. The kids spend most of their time in daycare centers or in the care of people besides their own parents. It doesn't seem all that out of the ordinary for part time caregivers (like grandparents) to be less skilled at keeping children in perfect control and out of harm's way without the leash.

Even after the grandmother with arthritis explained how the leash gives her a feeling of security when walking with her grandkid, you keep pushing the idea that you don't see a need for the leash. Sounds to me like she has already done some thinking and came to the rightful conclusion that the leash is what is best for them.

Craig

8:47 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Half of the people in my neck of the woods do not use a leash for their dogs. My lawn knows what that equates to.
Part of parenting is using every opportunity to teach your child right from wrong, slapping a choke collar on them doesn't really help this. Some parents have a whole litter of little ones, but I think tying them up is a problem with CPS.
Most of the time when I see a leash on a child, the parent is escaping from their duties. I have a neighbor who does this with their 2 year old, but lets the kid play outside in the front yard- alone and unsupervised.
If there is a special needs child, then it is a matter of safety, and clearly understandable.
Unfortunately kids do not come with an owners manual, and many parent are ill equipped to deal with the responsibilities of raising a child. These are the same people who never housebreak their pets, shovel their sidewalk, or pick up the trash in the yard.

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Randy1949

10:11 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

@Craig -- Many people will insist that their dogs are voice-command trained and can safely go without a leash. Some of them end up with dog-bite lawsuits or dogs who are hit by cars, because instinct is a very powerful thing. All it takes is one lapse in judgement by dog or toddler and you have a tragedy.

My son was a quiet, biddable child for the most part. But I never tempted fate by letting go of his hand around traffic or letting him play unattended. A good parent knows their own child's level of maturity and acts accordingly. Some toddlers will definitely be safe to walk beside a parent holding onto the stroller. With others, it may take another year before it's safe to do that.

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Craig

12:42 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I agree Randy. Holding the child's hand is parenting 101.
Where the problem arises is with those too overwhelmed by a litter of unruly kids. They do not, or can not spend the time necessary to make every moment a learning experience. A kid dragging a parent behind by the leash isn't really getting the attention and interaction that is necessary for preparing them for life. Following rules, communication skills, manners- I could go on.
The point is if one child is too much effort and time, why the hell have more?
Kids are not pet rocks. They require time and attention constantly.
Yet there are some people who feel "I can raise them anyway I see fit"...
Until the rest of us have to pay for his incarceration.

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Mama Bear

3:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Craig I do have to say as a former foster parent I do not think the caseworkers would be ok with the kids on a leash. They are into everything you do and I do not think they would allow it, so your comment made me think about that. Is it abuse? No...but I bet they wouldn't let a foster parent do it.

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CowDung

3:31 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Why wouldn't caseworkers be OK with child leashes? It's not like the kids are tied to their bedposts or are being kept in a cage. Several parents cited that the leashes help keep kids safe--do the caseworkers object to the use of seatbelts as well?

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CowDung

3:33 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Caseworkers apparently have no issue with someone leading 20 kids around on a rope--why is having 1 kid a leash so much different?

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Mama Bear

3:45 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

The reason is unknown but I am willing to bet they would have an issue with it. They dictate WAY more to foster parents then they ever would any other parent. I mean...they literally measure between beds, tell them what daycare they can and cannot send the kids to (a lot of times), go into your cabinets, check every crevice of your home...every single month so I am just saying I am willing to bet they would not approve of this. It is not a rope. It is well...this...http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://daycaremall.com/images/er/BNWWR99.JPG&imgrefurl=http://daycaremall.com/walkingrope.html&h=400&w=400&sz=20&tbnid=qiqUOam8fifoiM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=90&zoom=1&usg=__lB7bC4qRIT3L8xylB2ub2lXFgrk=&docid=shQWCiFdLkmqCM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=65QmUcq8LaWl2AXupIHAAg&ved=0CFMQ9QEwBA&dur=333

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CowDung

4:00 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Yes, I am familiar with the 'walking rope' concept. To me, it's the same sort of thing as the leash--the kids are still being led around by the adult on the other end of the leash...

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Mama Bear

4:04 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I have to disagree. One, I never held it. The kids only did. and two, they are not tied to it. They can let go and could run off if they wanted. It was just a way to keep them all walking in the same direction.

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CowDung

4:24 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

The woman pictured in your link is certainly holding it. Yes, the children are trained to hold the rope and walk behind you. The only thing missing is that you probably don't have to use the "heel" command.

Kids are kept restrained in their strollers--why don't you take issue with that? At least with a leash, the kids are able to walk around and explore. They have some level of freedom. The poor kids in strollers have to just sit there and only see what is presented for them to see.

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CowDung

4:32 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

That same company offers the 'Walkodile® Quattro'--complete with harnesses for each child...

http://www.discountschoolsupply.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Product=30753&rec=PDHbot

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CowDung

4:34 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

How old do kids have to be before they are able to consistently hang on to the rope and walk with the rest of the kids?

Mr Lundt

8:53 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

What I have seen boils down to two main themes
1) people confuse what is right with what is easiest

2) people have an unquenchable desire to validate their behavior based on a manufactured notion that their situation is so unique that:
A) the rest of us can't understand
B) we must suspend our common sense judgements to those that consider themselves unique

Past generations had the technology to create a child leash and chose not to...the notion that danger and hyperactivity is new is without merit.

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CowDung

8:58 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

In past generations parents actually raised their own children. We have a bunch of part time parents that only spend time with their kids after work and on weekends. Not much time to spend creating the kind of relationship it takes for a well disciplined child.

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Craig

9:07 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

CD: I agree but a lot of good kids come from families with two working parents. I think it boils down to how much time a parent will invest in parenting. If there is no investment of time, parents should expect no return on the investment.
Because a child has not yet learned to speak doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to them, but too often this happens (because it is a good excuse to be lazy).
Over half of communication is non verbal, a kid will not learn that from being potted like a plant in front of television while mom and dad chillax on the couch.

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Mr Lundt

9:09 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

CD
I certainly think your point is a very important component that has many impacts.

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CowDung

9:22 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Like Craig said, it doesn't mean that those parents can't raise well behaved children, but it can be much more challenging to do so as quality time with their children is so limited.

I guess I'd rather parents err on the side of caution and use a leash to keep their kids from darting into traffic than to be too worried about their public image to take steps to keep their kids safe.

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Randy1949

10:02 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

@Mr. Lundt -- "Past generations had the technology to create a child leash and chose not to...the notion that danger and hyperactivity is new is without merit."

Actually, my own mother had a little harness with reins that my younger sister wore upon occasion. This was back in the early 1950s. This may have been because of an earlier incident where I became separated from her in a department store and had to be taken to the business office to be reunited with her. I recall the incident quite well. She had let go of me while she shopped, and I followed what I took to be my mother -- a woman in an identical coat when seen from the back. I couldn't have been more than two or three at the time, and my point is that very young children just don't have the maturity to not do that yet.

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Kari

11:50 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Mr. Lundt, if we are confused with what is right vs. what is easiest, explain your version of "right" (since you seem to be placing leash parents in the category of what is easiest).
Also, share with me how many children you have. This certainly makes a difference when judging another's parenting choices.
Lastly, past generations were very much different, and cannot be fairly compared to today. Back in the day, unruly children were spanked, sometimes in public, and nobody flinched. Today, it's child abuse.
Believe me, I would love to go back to the ideals of past generations. Unfortunately, society has changed too much. We have become soft and politically correct. We have also become a world riddled with known sexual predators and hundreds of thousands of more cars on the roads we cross. Back in the day (we're talking my childhood in the 70's-80's), we rarely wore seat belts in the back seat. Today, I would be hauled to jail if my child is not in an approved car seat until they're 12.
My point: no parent wants to be judged on their choices, and with all of the "no-no's" put on us by society, it's hard to come up with a completely acceptable way of raising a child.

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Craig

12:20 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I think not having more children than you are physically or emotionally capable of taking care of is a mitigating factor here.
Many parents are overwhelmed with two kids running in three directions. The leash at least prevents them from running into traffic, but doesn't address the root cause of the problem. How much effort and time you put into rearing a child will make a difference in much more than just keeping them on a short leash.

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Tara Lenihan

1:55 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Actually, the 'technology' has been used for several hundred years (at least). In the 1700s leads were sewn directly into toddler's clothing.

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Mama Bear

3:06 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Though I have joked about it...no. LOL

Mr Lundt

12:06 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

Kari,
I have two children 18 months apart.

I cannot imagine that anyone suggest that leashing a child is right. What you WILL get are excuses for WHY they do it anyway. No one on this blog suggested it was right---they all told us why they were immune from the judgements.

Finally I think we need MORE judgement of acceptable standards. Judgement is a GREAT trait to have and instill in our children. There is so much good on having clear lines of good and bad. Expressing the judgment is an entirely different matter and is based on when and where and how...

All that said, I hope you have seen even in this blog I have backed off of my initial tone a bit. I should have stated my opinion in a more intelligent way in post #1. I can see where I (helped) unnecessarily rile people up.

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ddlc78

2:24 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

There is no right and wrong with something like this. It's more what you choose to do with your child versus what someone else would do with their child. Just because you don't like it does not make it wrong.

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Mr Lundt

2:59 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I have yet to hear one parent suggest that this is the the leash right method. What they do is explain why they are the exception to sound judgement.

I will tell you that if parents of three year olds are already resorting to leashes---- I am sincerely scared for them when their kids become teens.

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Mama Bear

3:12 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I have to agree. I am raising a man...I tell him that all the time. "You have learn from what mistakes you make and have to learn right from wrong, and how to act in public as you need to be a good man someday"

Tara Lenihan

6:59 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

I have read comments stating that these things are not necessary; but I have not read a comment that explained WHY they are so bad, other than some people comparing them (directly or indirectly) to animal leashes. Strollers are not necessary, safety gates are not necessary, window locks are not necessary, bed rails are not necessary, toddler training toilets are not necessary; but we accept their uses as 'helpers' in safety as we raise and teach our children.

I also don't understand why this topic is publicly debated as a though it is a controversial new idea on the market when this type of thing has been used for young children for centuries. There are no collars and a child can remove them fairly easily, so it's not the same as being tied up. They are supposed to aid in helping a child learn to walk properly on their own. Did you have a baby walker in your livingroom?

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Tom Kamenick

7:02 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

We used one once - when we are on a trip to a very busy and very unfamiliar city with our 23-month old who loved to walk and hated strollers, being carried, etc., and we had multiple children along. We didn't even use it constantly, just when we were going to be in large crowds.

I agree with Tara. They can be a great helper. Using one certainly gives your child more freedom than being in a stroller or carried. There are times when unfettered freedom isn't appropriate for very young children.

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Lika Phipps

3:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Well, as a parent, you know if your child is a minder or a runner, and that you are either the one holding the command or not.

I once lived next door to a single mom of a basketball team, and seriously? She would scream in a whiny way and beg her children to behave. No wonder why they didn't mind her.

Of course there just those kids who cannot be under control. I just think that kids are pretty cool. They sense that. And they also know when I'm serious, and they are good.

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