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Guns Don't Kill

The war is in our minds, and the recent theater massacre reminds us of this.

In several recent blogs I have started conversations about guns and violence ... two themes that are very important to me as a peace activist and as a father.

Conceal Carry seems like a bad idea to me ... Evidently one can conceal quite a few weapons to go by the recent theater shooting. The knee-jerk reaction/theory that had there been more guns flashing in Colorado, so many would NOT have died, begs the question: What if there had been no guns at all?

The nuclear arms race proves that more weapons with more killing power does not produce peace. Maybe the new generation has forgotten what most of us finally acknowledged relative to nukes and ultimate weapons (remember the Star Wars program?). Some will say, "Well no one used nukes,"(after we demonstrated them on two cities). "Big guns DO bring peace ... "

The fact is, however, that the second half of last century continued to be one of horrible wars, genocides, state terrorism and invasions. The nukes only brought us to the edge of annihilation ... and we came very very close. Gun promoters and enthusiasts often point out that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

This is an interesting point and it has an amount of merit. One thought I have often had in response to this argument is, "Yes, guns are just what people make to kill people with." Anyone who would rather be in a movie theater being threatened my a man with a 100 mag assault weapon than in one with a man brandishing a knife, should have their head checked. Anyone who believes the two situations are comparable, as each has a would-be murderer in the room, should review the personal stories by survivors of .

Assault weapons and even Glocks with big clips are weapons of mass destruction ... on a personal level. The killing potential of a weapon is what makes one "superior" to another and I will take sticks and stones to bullets any day. The seed of truth in the point gun-lovers make, mentioned above, is that there is a mind behind most gun fatalities (excluding the accidental deaths) and I certainly agree on this point.

Killing is in the mind first.

Christ, among others, told us this when he said that if you hate another person you have already broken the commandment, "thou shalt not kill," a commandment, by the way, that had no clauses following it. Killing happens first in the mind. When I read about this shooting, beyond the nearly useless amount of empathy I have for the survivors, and the sadness that thinking about the individual victims described in news stories, I am saddened also for our culture ... We are a culture of killers, to be frank.

The U.S. has no monopoly on killing so those among you who think I am anti-American for pointing out our militancy miss the point. I believe in peace and know that you can not create peace from violence or from the threat of the same. History proves this again and again. Over two hundred million dead from wars and conflicts in the twentieth century clearly make the case that no peace came from more weapons. This is enough people to make a belt around the planet, laying them head to toe, over six times! Violence prompts vengeanceance, fear, hatred ... not to mention suffering and death, but it does not bring peace.

The reason physical violence can never bring peace is to be found in the truth that killing is in the mind. More violence provokes more anger ... more mind killing. With a mindset of killing, condoning vengeance and accepting violence as a necessary and vital part of what it is to be human, the "war" is perpetuated in our minds and is easily provoked. Carrying this ember of war in our minds and hearts, protecting it, ensuring it always glows, we are ever ready to have it fanned by the next crisis that arises, the next orator who can whip up our anger and fear, the next excuse for venting our discontent. War is in our minds.

To move towards peace, to move towards a culture where six year old girls or presidents are not slaughtered in theaters, we have to get to the origin of war, to the place where designs for war (and designs for Smith and Wessons) are born. We have to look at our fear, personally and nationally. We have to look at the anger we hold towards our enemies (our brothers and sisters).

We need leaders who can address these issues courageously ... honestly assessing the state of affairs in this culture of violence. It is not coincidental that stories from survivors mentioned that often they could not distinguish between the real gunfire and the gunfire in the movie playing ... We have raised the intake of violent images to a great height, spending millions to see spectacles of violence like the Dark Knight Rises .... We bring our children to see highly graphic images of slaughter and tell them it is entertainment. We are addicted to war and as with any addiction, breaking it will first require dealing with the psychological reasons, the thoughtsand emotions, that led us to this state of severe imbalance.

Greg July 24, 2012 at 02:29 pm
That's some of the hope and change. I guess you can also get rid of the Preemptive Nobel Peace Prize as a tool in your quest for peace.
Dirk Gutzmiller July 24, 2012 at 02:33 pm
A personal injury lawyer would absolutely love to have the hit patron or his family as a client, on a contingency basis. Of course, the trespassing shooter did not commit an intentional act, but the gross negligence in the act of trespassing would reap a fortune for the victim and his lawyer. A child as a victim would be really scandalous. There would be criminal charges, but the real justice would be in the civil court.
Randy1949 July 24, 2012 at 02:37 pm
Sounds like someone is channeling Vasquez from the movie Aliens -- "Hey, Vasquez, ever been mistaken for a man?" "No -- have you?"
Dirk Gutzmiller July 24, 2012 at 02:44 pm
jessica - There are stolen valor considerations, both legal and ethical, to claiming military background if you were real and did not serve. No one likes people doing that, no matter what their political persuasion. A defense that you are a fictional character would get you off the hook, however.
Please do not post a mustachioed photo of yourself in a catsuit and weapons strapped all over your hairy chest.
Greg July 24, 2012 at 02:45 pm
I don't think you need an arsenal to be the person you describe, nor does everyone that has an arsenal think along those lines. There is evidence that the vast majority of legal gun owners are extremely responsible. I think Jessica does react with more emotion than fact, and this is not good for the pro-gun argument, but the anti-gun group seems to avoid the facts just as well. If the "take away cars" argument should go, I think the "hitting someone else's toddler" needs to go also.
Greg July 24, 2012 at 02:54 pm
How exactly do you connect violence on TV and in Movies to a concealed weapon law?
How many shootings have happened in Milwaukee alone these past months? Has the number been changed by the concealed carry law?
Randy1949 July 24, 2012 at 02:55 pm
"If the "take away cars" argument should go, I think the "hitting someone else's toddler" needs to go also."
Oh really? Just as there are some people who think they are Clint Eastwood and really shouldn't be shooting their guns in public, there are people who think they are Mario Andretti and shouldn't even be driving. In both cases, someone else's toddler can be hit. The idea is not to penalize all the responsible gun owners and drivers. It's to discourage the attitude that equates guns and fast cars with a portion of the male anatomy. And maybe, just maybe, discuss how we can limit a lunatic's ability to spray a crowded public place with a plethora of bullets in a very short time.
Greg July 24, 2012 at 03:05 pm
Dirk, The Supreme Court ruled June 28 that the Stolen Valor Act of 2006 was unconstitutional, saying it violated the free speech rights of those making false claims about winning the Medal of Honor and other combat citations. The Republicans are in process of passing a revised law.
So Greg-a-Fact rates your comment a half-false.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2012 at 03:09 pm
@jessica...LMAO; You just keep cracking me up. Let's see, how much actual combat experience do you have, and not just in theater? How many times have you fired your weapon in anger. MOS? I guess that would be dependent on if mine is bigger than yours. I was authorized to carry and deploy thermonuclear weapons, is that big enough for you? There's a Taoist proverb: "Those who say do not know; those who know do not say."
I didn't stay in the active military for nearly 10 years so that I would have to come home and carry weapons .for protection. BTW, I am a trained clinician and if you would have come before me while I was practicing in the Navy, you'd never get close to a firearm again.
Greg July 24, 2012 at 03:11 pm
Just pointing out that it is an emotional based argument, rather than a factual based one. Can you provide details of a toddler getting in the way of defensive gun fire? It's the blind pregnant nun argument.
Randy1949 July 24, 2012 at 03:23 pm
And of course 'every man who doesn't carry is a limp-wristed victim' is the acme of rationalism?
Mr. Z July 24, 2012 at 03:50 pm
@jessica
How is it that a real man needs a weapon to defend anything? I was raised to believe (and still do) that those who need weapons to make their point are the cowards. It is a real coward who needs a DEADLY weapon to fight their battles, instead of taking their lumps and learning a lesson or two. Instead, those who carry a weapon have a sense of invincibility which can only lead to more trouble. I'd rather take a bullet to defend my family, than to carry around a gun because I am afraid.
Mr. Z July 24, 2012 at 04:05 pm
Not sure if "omnipotent" is quite the word you want to use to describe Mr. Ruble. That would be more of a description of you, they way you talk of being able to hit a moving target in a crowded, chaotic room.
Mr. Ruble is probably being more speculative, gathering assumptions about your psychological make up from the context of your writings. Either way it seems like you may have an unfounded high regard for your abilities; as a marksman and a writer.
Johnny Blade July 24, 2012 at 04:53 pm
Why aren't slaves allowed to have guns or ammo?
Greg July 24, 2012 at 05:17 pm
Did I say that? I stated that those comments are more emotion than fact. I do not consider emotional arguments rational. I also do not think that extreme awfulizing is rational either.
Steve ® July 24, 2012 at 06:23 pm
Sweet, more insurance only the bad guys have guns.
Please google the term "right"
Steve ® July 24, 2012 at 06:25 pm
You do not have a right in the constitution to drive, it is a privilege.
Brian Carlson July 24, 2012 at 08:31 pm
Jessica....there are a lot of us with a bit of foresight....we ARE trying to protect women and children ...and men...from annihilation and have been doing so for years. The nuclear disarmament going on in the world is happening because men (and women) who prefer to work towards peace, stand up in the face of great opposition and take action. Fearful people buy and stockpile weapons... isnt that what you have said. You fear being shot in a public place...hence you have weapons. Protection is not only in the heat of the moment...but even there there are options to killing people. Real protection always must consider long term consequences...your world and thinking is pure Hatfields and McCoys.... IRA and the Brits..etc.
Brian Carlson July 24, 2012 at 08:38 pm
JB....simplistic answer. I am not expecting utopian peace because I work towards a more peaceful society, a nation that actually supports freedom and a world in which my grandchildren will hopefully not need to fight. What do you think evil and hatred stem from? What does your superior intellect...obviously you know better than I here... do with anger? I do believe that intellect must be used to govern emotional responses...absolutely. That intellect must be used to raise us above a reactionary level...and to shape a better future. Dont you? You are very smart...I cant believe you are opposed to using your intellect to work towards a better future.
I dont know where I am controlling a world with socialism or proposing it by suggesting that idiots should not have the right to access assault weapons with 100 clip mags.... That is not a hunting set up. You folks who need to kill deers with AKs... knock yourselves out...but why not try IEDs...too? And dont you need to be able to protect yourselves with landmines...maybe mine your yard? Now there is an idea! But there ARE limitations put on us...like speed limits in this country... not by socialists or lefties... by rational people. "Easy answer. They feel their superior intellect can produce a utopian peace. That evil and hatred are purely manifestations of ignorance that their wisdom has been able to overcome. Hence, if they controlled the ignorant masses (ie socialism) then the world will become a better place....JB"
Mr. Z July 24, 2012 at 08:41 pm
Just came across this article online:
http://gma.yahoo.com/women-survived-theater-shooting-grieve-hero-boyfriends-215438672--abc-news-topstories.html Isn't funny how the "cowards" without guns that night made the ultimate sacrifice to save the lives of the people they were with. Those guys that took a bullet to save their loved ones are the real men.
Brian Carlson July 24, 2012 at 08:42 pm
I have to agree with Mr. Z that cowardice is better aligned with overkill, long range guns, weapons that do not need to be aimed with skill...etc. And fear. Shooting deers with AK's ....very impressive. Why not cows...they move even slower? Or use bazookas. I think you folks should hunt with IEDs they are proving very effective against our young people in Afghanistan.... could be exciting. Of course I am being sarcastic now... but do you see any need at all for limits? I dont get this from your responses.
Brian Carlson July 24, 2012 at 08:47 pm
Lyle... I love the clinician observation. The Jessicas...ARE among the chief reason many people would like to see tighter restrictions on certain types of weapons...more training... extensive back ground checks...etc. She makes the case for me..I can tell you. Everything she said makes her the poster child for firearms regulations.
Brian Carlson July 24, 2012 at 08:51 pm
Johnny Really Sharp Blade(man)..... wow...lets see. WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING on this thread? Are you a slave Johnny? Has someone taken away your big shiny gun? This NRA paranoid crap is fed to you to support a billion dollar industry...you are a sucker for I am sad to say. Do you think the people who run the NRA are afraid of a repressive govt takeover? They are in bed with our government for gods sake Johnny. They lobby the hell out of our Congressmen....they are best buds my man! The international armament industry is BIG BUSINESS...its not about freedoms...its about MONEY!
Brian Carlson July 24, 2012 at 08:57 pm
Jessica I think you have an incredibly limited notion of what defense is and can be. BTW, you must be really opposed to religions like Christianity... a religion that was held dear, if misunderstood in some enormous aspects, by "the founding fathers," so many of you think you pay homage to. Christ was such an incredible wimp wasnt he? No courage. Should have blasted the Romans (if he was the Son of God) with lightening strikes or something, and if he was just a man... why not carry a sword? Why all this talk about peace, forgiveness and compassion?
Jim July 24, 2012 at 09:37 pm
Anyone who has ever hunted and killed big game in a fair chase knows the difficulty of hitting a target that is moving in three dimensions. How quickly Jessica and the other violence impregnated people posting here dismiss the real possibility of missing and killing innocent people. As a hunter and shooter who enjoys my sport, I am not threatened by government control of assault weapons, armor piercing ammunition and body armor. What worries me is the availability of powerful weapons for psychos and inhumane military want to be's. Our militaristic and violent society combined with a political system controlled by rich and powerful people and corporations have brought us to this point. There seems no way for reasonable people to be heard and affect the availability of military weapons in our civilian world. There are reasons settlers in the wild west hired marshals. They wanted more security than their own six shooters could provide. We need to study our own history or current history in places like Kosovo, Yemen, and Afganistan.
Lyle Ruble July 24, 2012 at 10:07 pm
@Jim...As much as people would want to believe, the most common firearm on the western frontier was not a six shooter or lever action repeating rifle, it was the good old muzzle loaded shotgun. Another trivia point is that most communities did not allow the carrying of firearms within the city limits. It is well known that alcohol and firearms didn't mix well. This was the cause of the infamous shootout at the OK Corral.
The idea of the firearms myth have been actively promoted by the firearms manufacturers and the NRA is nothing but a shill for that same group. Firearms are tools designed for specific purposes. They haven't been designed to compensate for peoples' personal inadequacies; they are marketed as such.
Brian Carlson July 25, 2012 at 01:34 am
I have to agree with Jim here. Jessica actually said her laser sight never misses! Put your laser on a man running towards you blasting away with his assault weapon....you might hit him...oh does he have tactical armor on? Give me a break.
J. B. Schmidt July 25, 2012 at 11:58 am
@Brian
Lets apply your rational intellect to speed limits. What is their purpose, to protect life? Since a new study finds that traffic deaths are up 13.5% this year over last, are they really doing their job. What makes this speed limit imposed on us the safe one? Considering it is 65 on the expressway and we are allowed to drive about ten over that prior to handing out traffic violations, how effective is that law? Couldn't the same safety on the roads by attained through better instruction during drivers Ed? The same is true with guns. Please provide the ratio of deaths between the number of 100 round mag owned vs. number of people killed by a gun having a 100 round mag. A rational person would see that this random act of violence was not stoppable by legislation. Two of the largest massacres committed by an individual with a gun were down in countries with the most restrictive gun control laws (Australia and Norway). You are attempting to pull conclusions from the incident that are not rational. In a world were evil exists, the only peace gained by disarmament is absolute control by the wicked. Not unlike the assumed safety a speed limit provides, gun control only restricts the trained, lawful citizen. Controlling the lawful in an attempt to create peace thorough government imposed equality, sounds like a socialist agenda to me. Lastly, no one would use an IED for deer, that dumb. They are used for fishing.
Brian Carlson July 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm
JB....the use of reason doesnt guarantee a single conclusion. I understand your points and they are well made. Perhaps in countries like Germany where you can get on autobahns with no speed limits people pay more attention to driving and their music on I pods, texting their buds or whatever. Physics, very predictable at this scale, suggests that if you have to brake suddenly let's say, to avoid the deer (left after Jessica has gone home), you will have a better chance at 60mph than at 140 mph. As you point out....you will also have a better chance if you are a skilled highly
trained driver.So... A mix of regulations and training area good combo. On the road, another one is you can't be driving a frigging dragster or a NASCAR vehicle or an armored HUmvee. Why not? A. Why would you need to? B. They could endanger the lives ofotherdrivers. It's not a perfect metaphor for gun regulation...but it's not without value.To put it another way... You don't want to drive on a highway next to mentally distracted people like myself, if there is NO limit. Kill mo Fish!
Brian Carlson July 26, 2012 at 12:00 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tucson-shooting-victims-guns-2011-shooting-article-1.1121437
Tucson shooting victims want SOMETHING done. Very Germaine to the conversation here.

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