As one of the thousands of people who participated in the peace rally at the NATO Summit in Chicago, I want to say first that most of the media coverage of that event, at least the print coverage, was skewed for the sensational, the generic, the stereotypical ... and failed seriously to grasp the central story that transpired.
The reports were, by and large, threadbare and far from any attempt to get in depth to the significance of the event as it developed throughout the day. If I had not been there, reading even several of the articles in major news sources, I would get the idea that a relatively small group of marginal people had made some noise on a hot day in Chicago. I would be instantly attracted to the three arrested for terrorist plots; to "black clothed masked protesters" who taunted the police; to "anarchists," some of whom were arrested after the march had ended late in the afternoon.
In short, I would have understood there was some sort of rally, police contained the hotheads, there were a number of arrests ... (yawn). Nowhere did I read an account by any media source of what I experienced as the heart of this entire gathering — the most outstanding event of the weekend — nor any analysis of the cogent points presented by the numerous anti-war or peace-based organizations that collaborated at this huge event. Very briefly let me provide a view from the street as one who was fortunate to be part of this significant event.
To go to "the heart" of the gathering: The IVAW, Iraq Veterans Against War, convened to return their campaign medals from the various Iraq and Afghan campaigns — the Global War on Terror. In the morning, they performed music at a bandshell. Strange PA problems they encountered were overcome as they elected to get off the stage and stand among the large crowd of peace activists performing moving songs written based on their experiences as soldiers. No mention of this concert of the songs, let alone quotes from the powerful lyrics are in the mass media.
Leading the two-and-a-half mile march, on a scorching day in Chicago, the IVAW assembled on a stage at the march's destination — as close as possible to the building in which the NATO leaders were assembled, blocks away. At no time was there any conceivable threat from the thousands of peaceful protesters to any leaders from NATO. I saw thousands of police in the city; Chicago police flanked the march shoulder-to-shoulder, repositioning themselves as the march proceeded. While there are always immature people in a crowd, the police that I saw were respectful and restrained, some chatted with demonstrators and the demonstrators, by and large, did not taunt police.
There was an overwhelming police presence on hand, including riot police at one point, helmeted, clubs in hand, braced for any possible action. The protesters had nothing: water bottles for the dehydrating conditions, lattice sticks to hold their signs. There was never any credible threat from the protesters and, let me be clear, most of them are PEACE activists — they assemble to PROTEST violence ... not to bring violence nor to threaten violence.
At the march destination, young ex-soldiers, from every branch of the military, took the microphone. One after another they identified themselves, explained their deployments, and briefly shared their experience of the wars as front line combatants. To a person, and of course these are men and women, they had joined the service for the best reasons, believing they were protecting their country, believing they were freeing someone, believing they were helping to spread democracy. Each of them a patriot who loves their country. No one — no one — can take anything away from these people.
To a person, each in his or her own unscripted heartfelt words, they briefly said that the reality of these conflicts is horrific, inhumane, that they are helping no one save the companies that profit from wars and that the wars are ruining humans. Innocent people in these countries, and well-meaning American servicemen and women, who become engaged in slaughter.
They were ashamed of their medals. They stated that the medals were meaningless to them now ... and, one-by-one they threw handfuls of campaign medals in the direction of McCormick Place, the NATO Summit convetion place. THIS WAS THE HEART AND SENSE OF THIS PEACE MARCH.
Nowhere do I read anything that even attempts to get at the import of this event. In the meantime, an Afghan for Peace group also took the microphone ... women from this occupied country ... and although their greatest desire would have been for the soldiers never to have decimated their country ... although they were understandably averse, to put it mildly, to a force which continues to this day to strike their countrymen, their sisters, their children with its sophisticated weaponry — they told these soldiers that they loved them ... that love and peace are the only means that are credible and goals that are worthy. How the media could cheapen this powerful event ... how they could ignore the sentiments and concerted passion for an end to aggression ... begs the question, "Do we have anything that even approximates a free press in our country?"
I will say this in closing: I was proud to witness the honor of the veterans assembled in Chicago on Sunday, the 20th, to express sincerely what they had learned firsthand in the classroom of reality, and to return their medals to their unresponsive leaders. No one could be more effective teachers of peace than those who have directly experienced the reality of war. May each of these honorable Americans continue to heal. They have experienced the reality of war. May each of these honorable Americans continue to heal.
"The CIA/Defense Intelligence Agency relation with Saddam intensified after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September of 1980. During the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam to deliver battlefield intelligence obtained from Saudi AWACS surveillance aircraft to aid the effectiveness of Iraq's armed forces, according to a former DIA official, part of a U.S. interagency intelligence group. This former official said that he personally had signed off on a document that shared U.S. satellite intelligence with both Iraq and Iran in an attempt to produce a military stalemate. "When I signed it, I thought I was losing my mind," the former official told UPI. A former CIA official said that Saddam had assigned a top team of three senior officers from the Estikhbarat, Iraq's military intelligence, to meet with the Americans. According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance to Saddam's ferocious February 1988 assault on Iranian positions in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days. The Saddam-U.S. intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end at 2 a.m. Aug. 2, 1990, when 100,000 Iraqi troops, backed by 300 tanks, invaded its neighbor, Kuwait. America's one-time ally had become its bitterest enemy. UPI: Richard Sale
Thanks for the info "my father is a Vietnam veteran". God bless him for his service. So is my oldest brother and a heap of cousins. They were all drafted, as I assume your father was. They are of a different generation. I came within 2 years of being caught up in the Vietnam maelstrom but Nixon is my hero (despite his failings) as he ended the draft. Helps me understand your commentaries going forward as to your age group. So much now comes into focus as to your attitudes and former commentaries. Sorry, but your generation has been labeled as a very selfish bunch. And some of your postings come across that way from a generation that did not have to suffer much.
You have a number of misconceptions. Many have been corrected by others. Let me correct another. You guessed right that the toppling of Saddam's statue was a propaganda piece. See http://tinyurl.com/3867xbc. Most of the citizens of Baghdad at the time were too busy looting the city to welcome us. Please note the only place we bothered to guard in the first few days was the Oil Ministry.
Thanks for volunteering to do a job in country that their own people should have done. I do not like US citizens having to clean up the mess the rest of the world creates but you and others at least volunteered to step up to the plate. Thanks and have a great Memorial Day.
Love to.... How about Global Thermonuclear War? A strange game.... The only winning move is not to play. The game itself is pointless! How about a nice game of chess?
I prefer the game of nuclear disarmament, and a ban on the construction of more nuclear weapons, delivery systems for the same, etc. The potential for their use is always around and when this happens the reaction, will be severe and without precedent in scale.
Dr. John McKittrick: Full-scale retaliatory strike. General Beringer: (Chuckling) I need some machine to tell me that!
I don't have a problem in the world with a former combat soldier protesting, and I wholly agree with you about their right, or anyone else's for that matter, to do so. But, there's a respectful classy way to do it and a disrespectful and unclassy way to do it. Wiping ones ass in public with the American flag after having just defecated, or throwing your earned medals on the ground when returning them - sorry, but that's just a downright disrespectful and unclassy way of going about an anti-war protest. Call it a matter of taste if you will - they have the right to protest in such a fashion, but merely having such a right still doesn't make it respectful or classy, does it? And yes, I also wholly agree with you about those who gamed the system in order to avoid service, no matter what side of the political aisle they happen to fall on - it's disgraceful!
YEE-HAW!! as he rides the nuke into the Russki nuke base.
"There was never a need to be in Vietnam." So, I guess that you were just fine allowing the Chinese supported Northern Vietnamese to march into Southern Vietnam and slaughter in cold blood millions of our NATO ally's civilians without such actions warranting so much as a response from us, right? I guess your credo is treat your friends like your enemies and your enemies like your friends, eh? "Your father's experience was vastly more dramatic but ignorance is rampant and people feel strongly about their convictions..." I sincerely hope that this was just a poorly worded and/or structured sentence and that you are not seriously trying to compare anti-war protestor ridicule to the ridicule received by our returning soldiers from this very same crowd, otherwise, I find such to be utterly preposterous and shameful in and of itself. If you don't like attention, then don't do things that attract attention - simple enough, isn't it? But wasn't that the whole point of the anti-war crowd at such time - to attract as much attention as possible, whether that be positive or negative attention. I don't deny that the 'hippie' types weren't verbally ridiculed, but to attempt to compare that to the level of what a returning Veteran to a hostile home team must have felt like, all I can say in response is - come on, REALLY?!?
Why is it that you appear to love insulting and/or attacking and trying to start a back and forth insult session with Hoffa? Everyone that knows Hoffa would never use the word 'selfish' to describe him.
Whether the toppling of the statue was staged or not, even Mr. Carlson realizes that such event was wholly representative of the sentiment that the people of Iraq had for Saddam. Most were thankful to see him and his regime ousted from power. Unless you have facts to the contrary, I fail to see how you discredited the substance of any of my postings.
That was actually a completely improvised line that came from Corbin himself, as it wasn't in the script. As Corbin states on the DVD commentary, he actually dared his cousin into actually doing that when they were kids. He's a great actor and was definitely the right man to play Beringer. In general, the film really was perfectly cast.
Funny part is you guys were all protesting in Chicago while the POTUS was hosting the 1%rs (G8) at Camp David. The protesters should have been there protesting the POTUS. I hope all the peace loving protesters will vote their conscience and not vote for obama in November.
Cindy Sheehan's son was killed in Iraq, which is why she became an anti-war protestor. If you Google her name you will find that, in direct contradiction to your statement "she is nowhere to be found," her activism continues. Another inaccurate comment you made was "POTUS was hosting the 1%rs (G8) at Camp David." In fact this meeting was held with world political leaders (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18128995). Again, I believe it is unpatriotic to criticize Obama's initiatives to neutralize the threat of terrorism in the Middle East (which is responsible for thousands of deaths in that region and here). If someone wants peace they should support Barack Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize 2009 "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". Let's keep it real, mau.
Obama's receipt of the Peace Prize completely discredited the Nobel foundation and it's prizes from that day forward. He did absolutely nothing to actually earn it and it represented nothing more than a slap in the face to those that actually deserved it. How is a President that put us into Libya, Northern Africa, and managed to significantly destabilize our relations with Israel, Pakistan, Russia in any way shape or form a President that is promoting peace? And peace at the expense of what exactly - allowing our interests to be trampled over by nations such as China, Iran, etc? Come on, REALLY???
But I dont have any enemies.
How many assasinations of world figures did Bush arrange and have carried out. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/obama_2012_stealing_bushs_legacy.html
Sorry to say I think humanity has a problem. I have been doing some reading recently about all the horrific attrocities that took place in Europe at the end of WWII. They were carried out by all sides, Germans, Italians, Russians, Croatians, Yugoslavians, Americans, British....... War lowers humans to the level of vicious mindless animals.