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UPDATE: Woman Cited for Failure to Yield in Hwy. LL and Sunset Road Crash

Two cars were involved and the Flight for Life helicopter transported a Thiensville woman from the scene, and the Ozaukee County Sheriff's Office has determined that woman failed to yield, causing the crash.

A Thiensville woman is being cited for failure to yield, causing a crash at the intersection of Highway LL and Sunset Road in Port Washington earlier this month.

After an Ozaukee County Sheriff's Office investigation and reconstruction of the accident, Port Washington Police Chief Kevin Hingiss said the department will be issuing a citation to Thiensville resident Tammie Flanders, who had been driving her car west on Sunset Road. The crash resulted in five injuries, with Flanders being transported by Flight for Life to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee and the others via ambulance to local hospitals after the Aug. 16 evening crash.

Flanders was the driver of a car that also had two children passengers, was transported. Though no specific details are available about her injuries, hospital officials say she has been released. The children, ages 8 and 14, were transported via ambulance to Aurora Medical Center in Grafton.

The driver of the other car was 17-year-old Henry Watry and his 22-year-old brother Nicholas Watry, both of Port Washington. They were also transported to Aurora in Grafton.

Port Washington Police Chief Kevin Hingiss said as far as he knows all of the patients have been released. The vehicle driven by Henry Watry was headed south on Hwy. LL and Flanders had been driving west on Sunset Road before the collision.

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The Wisconsin Incident Alert notification about the accident was sent at 5:38 p.m. Flight for Life was on the ground at 5:55 p.m. The Flight for Life helicopter left the scene just after 6 p.m.

Barb Zernia Eisentraut August 17, 2012 at 02:57 PM
Maybe we should be less concerned about the road right now and maybe focus on if everyone in yesterdays accident is ok!
Greg August 17, 2012 at 05:19 PM
State and County highways are intended for efficient transportation of people and goods. Lowering the speed limits should be the last option. Statistics are important and need to be applied to evaluate needs. I have NEVER seen an accident at this intersection, so there can not ALWAYS be accidents there. Car counts are also important, maybe some of the focus should be moved to not having a primary highway, hwy. 33, closed for two years, for no good reason.
Rik Kluessendorf August 17, 2012 at 06:55 PM
Greg, explain for us, if you will, how the stretch of road on LL, from Spring Street to Sunset (a distance of, perhaps a quarter mile) would, at a 10mph reduction, harm the "efficient transportation of people and goods." The municipalities have a balance to maintain, and that is the primary needs of the roads against the safety risks of those roads. Here, if the statistics show a hazard (and I agree with you that the statistics should be the measure), perhaps a small tweak is necessary. The 10 mph reduction will cost drivers on this stretch of road about 5 seconds of time (assuming it is a quarter mile).
Betty Fields-Mueller August 17, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Barb, I think People are expressing their frustration with this intersection because they know that unless changes are made immediately there will continue to be accidents here. I for one am praying for the safe recovery of all involved but I also strongly believe something needs to be done to fix this dangerous intersection once and for all before there are more accidents like this.
Heather Iverson August 17, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Greg, I dont know how often you go through either intersection but i can see both from my front porch and there are a lot of accidents at both. They arent always big ones that require media but there are quite a few fender benders. Efficent travel is good but more important is saftey.
Jill August 17, 2012 at 07:35 PM
From the 33 roundabout the speed limit traveling south is 35mph for a short stretch then increases to 45mph far prior to this intersection. For whatever the cause(stupidity, blowing the stop sign) a car traveling at the assumed 50mph hitting a car rolling/blowing the stop sign = serious accidents. Having police monitor speeds is a start, but does not stop a speeder unless they sit there 24/7. Increasing the safety of this intersection would require proper lighting, street signage, reduced speeds, and a 4 way stop. With a 4 way stop~ those who you think cause the accidents by blowing the stop sign can now just play bumper cars with each other instead of a t-bone situation at 40-50 mph. There is also a day care on the corner which has seen it's share of debris. Thank god they have fencing!
Greg August 17, 2012 at 07:44 PM
Would you only reduce the speed limit there? Or would it be reduced from Hwy 33 to Spring Street? Everything is relative. By your line of thinking it's only 5 seconds (assuming it is a quarter mile). Now include reduced speeds on hwy. 33, maybe 30 seconds, and then the next speed reduction, 5 seconds? 120 seconds? and so on...Goods and people being transported by highway are usually not traveling a quarter mile. The cumulative result of speed reductions, on a trip of several hundred miles, may be measured in hours rather than seconds. Multiply that times the massive amount of miles traveled on state and county highways, and it should be easy to see the harm to the "efficient transportation of people and goods." I do understand the want for safety, but lowering these speed limits should not be the automatic, and many times emotional, reaction to an accident. Speed limits are the inverse of taxes, in most cases when they go down they never go back up.
Dave August 17, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Install a jump ramp on Spring street and jump over the intersection .Wait the state would install a gaint overhead sign and we would jump thru it..Maybe place a slow down sign before the intersection .Just take one off of hwy 33 no one would miss it.
Jill August 17, 2012 at 08:10 PM
Sounds like a plan Dave! Borrow a few street lights too. Because burying the unsightly electric lines for X amount of $$$$$ was worth the beautification they achieved. Oh I did I forget to mention a major expensive bike trail that crosses not far from this intersection? I bet if we kill a biker or pedestrian then something would give.
Greg August 17, 2012 at 08:44 PM
Well it is good to see that the accident statistics have gone down from "always" to "a lot". I do go through that intersection often and at different times, sometimes several times a day, but I do not live there.
monica August 17, 2012 at 08:50 PM
Any updates about those involved? Understand e everyones frustrations. It is good you all are takling about the safety of the intersection. But if you feel something needs to be done, and want something done, get on the city agenda, and take it up with the board. We should be sending out positive thought and prayers to those involved.
Matt Schroeder August 17, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Monica: I checked with the police department but was not able to get an update today. We will provide more information as soon as we're able.
Greg August 17, 2012 at 09:09 PM
OK, a 5 year study results showed that there are an average of 2.2 accidents at that intersection per year, with 1.6 of those accidents resulting in injury. So the accident statistics have been downgraded from "a lot" to a couple. Zero would be better, but it is important to know of what we speak before we decide what should be done. Enhancing the signage with flashing LEDs has been effective at many other intersections. Grand Ave./Spring St. intersection has a higher accident rate. That is a four way, controlled intersection, with traffic signals and 25 mph speed limits. Should those roads be reduced to 15 mph?
Jill August 17, 2012 at 09:25 PM
past data is helpful, but get a car count from this spring/summer alone. Traffic patterns have now changed. I've been to at least 3 accidents there, including a rollover. My concern IS for those involved, I've been on FFL, I've cared for innocent victims lying on their death beds in ICU. I agree this needs a rally on the agenda. And I'm glad to hear someone mentioned minor injuries to the others, hopefully the person who was flighted is also doing ok!
Heather Iverson August 18, 2012 at 01:19 AM
Greg, Stats or not i can personally SEE both intersections from my house...even if they want to say there are 2.2 accidents there a year i personally see at least 2 close calls per week between the two intersections. It is dangerous and something needs to be done. I dont think a lower speed limit would make a difference at all...but people should have to stop from all ways which would force people to slow down. Also 2.2 accidents per year is a lot considering most intersections have 0 per year. You seem too coorperate and not concerned for the saftey of the public and if you sat there and observed both intersections you too would see that something needs to change.
janie August 18, 2012 at 05:01 AM
Maybe if people would pay attention their wouldnt be such a problem. The problem isn't the intersection, its the people behind the wheel not paying attention and speeding through town. idiot drivers are the cause of accidents..
MD from the area August 18, 2012 at 06:17 AM
My thoughts are with the drivers first we need to alert them with led light up signs directly above thier lanes az you come to the intersections mentioned wa also need to alert them with the rumpble stips in the road to spur thier cautious driving mode... I firmly feel the round abouts af far more pricey and for so many creats a fear that diminishes thier efficient usd of the round about and creates frustrations to those adept at thier efficient use. If the cheap bright led sings and warning grooves cut into the pavment are found to be inadequate. to curb these issues then abrige or overpass should be investigated to avoid a round about mayhem. To me the worst (deadliest) is cars from 32 south cutting over the north bound lanes. I always hear the valid complaint that at. Certain point all those signs in the median line up and block the view of the north bound cars but the bigger problem ive heard is people headed north bound getting hit there because they had thier right turn signal on and the crossing car assumed they were going to turn onto thier ramp sper but at the last moment didn't and kept going blinker and all... Again all i think could be done is a overpass or bridge if you will (a tunnel would be way cooler though) ... Just my observations and 2 cents
MD from the area August 18, 2012 at 06:22 AM
Above I ment where southbound 32 traffic crosses over to hit southbound 43 as the deadliest intersection.
Greg August 18, 2012 at 07:58 PM
I have posted nothing that shows a lack of concerned for the safety of the public. I have attended several County Highway Safety meetings and your type of emotional reasoning is all to common. If actions were taken, based on everyone with an observation like yours, the highway system would be in gridlock. At one meeting a couple was requesting a 20 mph speed limit reduction, on a very busy Co. Trk. highway. They had a blind child and were concerned for her safety when she walked out to wait for the bus. Of all the options, they picked the one that would inconvenience thousands of other people, rather than themselves. Civil engineering needs to be based on factual information, not emotion.
Missing Ozaukee Cty August 19, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Dave are you always such a jerk???
Rik Kluessendorf August 19, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Greg, You seem to equate all reductions in speed with an "emotional reaction." The reality is that we have changing uses in highways through the pattern of development. No one here is suggesting that this accident is the reason that we need to adjust the speed limit on this particular stretch of road. Your earlier comments suggest that you don't want to separate this stretch of road from all of the others, apparently. What we have been suggesting is that this intersection needs to be examined thoroughly from a safety standpoint. We have a number of nasty accidents here. As much as we all want to get around efficiently, we also want to get around safely. As traffic patterns change and use of an intersection increases, what was once a safe and reasonable solution may no longer be safe and reasonable. Remember, LL was originally the bypass around Port Washington (remember the wayside park that was located out towards the intersection of Green Bay Road?). No longer is this a bypass highway... it is a thoroughfare going through residential neighborhoods with more and more access roads. Plus, the roundabouts are (realistically) going to cause more people to use Sunset as an alternative to hwy 33. I think questioning this stretch of road is extremely reasonable at this point in time and not at all an "emotional reaction."
Greg August 20, 2012 at 04:44 PM
Rik, Read it again. I have only pointed out that the correct way to find a solution to a problem, is by honestly evaluating the facts related to the cause of the problem. Your conclusions about my comments are wrong, because they are emotion based rather than fact based. Please do not put words in my mouth.
Missing Ozaukee Cty August 22, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Any updates yet? It has been nearly a week now!
Dave August 23, 2012 at 03:57 PM
Missing Ozaukee Cty it is in the same place and has not moved check the map
Greg August 23, 2012 at 08:00 PM
Officers were called to an accident at the roundabout at the intersection of Highways LL and 33 about 12:20 p.m. Aug. 15. A 19-year-old Port Washington woman was heading north in the roundabout when her 1997 Saturn was struck by a 2002 Buick driven by an 83-year-old Saukville man who entered the traffic circle, police said. The force of the collision caused the Saturn to spin onto the northeast sidewalk, police said. The Saukville man was cited for failure to yield the right of way, according to police.
Greg August 23, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Two vehicles — a southbound Honda Civic driven by a 44-year-old Port woman and an eastbound Buick Rendezvous driven by an 84-year-old Port man — collided at the intersection of North Spring Street and Grand Avenue about 10:30 a.m. Aug. 13. After the crash, the Buick struck a traffic signpost and a traffic signal pole before coming to rest on the sidewalk, police said. Both drivers said they had a green light so they entered the intersection, police said.
Susie Ropiak August 25, 2012 at 04:29 AM
Yes, he is.
Terry August 25, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Yea. Pretty much all the time.
Terry August 25, 2012 at 11:30 AM
They make these things called punctuation Dave. Its is what makes things readable.
Tanya Tappa August 30, 2012 at 05:47 PM
Just wanted to let you know...it was HUNTER Watry, not Henry

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